Defending my farm - opinions needed

Defending my farm - opinions needed

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    Defending my farm - opinions needed

    I am fortunate enough to live on a decent size farm and unless the aliens land in MY field, I can probably stay put if bad things happen. I could probably bug out to my own woods if I need to. I won't go far, my children have 4 feet and fur and I am pretty dedicated to them. Right now, for long guns, I have a an AR-15 and a Win '94 .30-30 with a scope for big varmint control ( I don't actually eat meat and don't hunt, although I would if I needed to).

    The house is off the road with a rise in between, about 300 yards away. The longest shot I can forsee needing to make anywhere on the farm accurately will be around 300 yards.
    I've been thinking about caching the AR since I am the only one that knows that I have it, although it would be the better choice for my wife to shoot due to recoil.

    I am considering an AR-10 .308 set up with for longer distance with a scope and a bipod. I don't need to collect guns for the sake of collecting. I do shoot frequently out back. I have shot the M1A had a blast, but it's not really what I want, and will cost more than I want to spend for a tool. The extra money can be used for more ammo

    Realistically, what do you think, are the AR-15 and the Winchester enough and I should be satisfied and get more ammo ( I have 3,000 .223 and ~1,000 .30-30, and will get more).
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    I would add a .308 for distance and its a real flat shooter. Thats me and my 2 cents.
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    I'd go with one of the 20" heavy barrel, flat top AR-15's in your position. Then add your scope and bipod. If you ever wanted to go to a carbine length, just find the appropriate upper. The AR-10 would be nice, but would be somewhat dedicated to the long range scenario. With the AR-15, you'll be modular in the future, and be able to stick with your current stash of ammo in .223. My 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    I'd go with one of the 20" heavy barrel, flat top AR-15's in your position. Then add your scope and bipod. If you ever wanted to go to a carbine length, just find the appropriate upper. The AR-10 would be nice, but would be somewhat dedicated to the long range scenario. With the AR-15, you'll be modular in the future, and be able to stick with your current stash of ammo in .223. My 2
    Agreed.

    Don't forget about small arms and closer conflicts. Who knows what kind of scenario could play out. I have a similar piece of property/layout and among what I consider core weapons for my needs, that you didn't mention, are a Mossberg 590 with collapsible stock, side and stock shell holders and a full bandoleer, a dependable 1911, and an M6 scout with a very well-thought-out bugout kit.

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    That's one fine looking Airedale in your avitar!

    I would add a handgun or two that both you and your wife can shoot well.

    An adjustable stock on the AR will help it fit you both.

    You already have the Airedale so I don't need to recommend one.

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    I think what you have is all you need for rifles, I would suggest a pump shotgun. If You really think you need another rifle a ak47 and a lot of ammo would be a goos complement to your existing armament.

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    I would first add a .22lr and then a genearl purpose shotgun

    your AR should be fine at 300 meters and closer.

    The .22lr would be you primary hunting and varmit gun, ammo is very cheap and readily avaible
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    Good advice from all, thanks. I just wasn't sure that .223 would be enough at that distance. Certainly it would be more cost effective to add another AR15 to the fold.

    I have a 1911 ( Springfield Loaded) and a lot of ammo for it, as well as a .22 semi auto pistol. I do not have a .22 rifle at the moment. I have been considering the Marlin 39A. Yes, a lot of people will say Ruger 10/22 as well.

    Honestly, I am not sold on the shotgun at this point. I think the AR or the Winnie trumps it for my use. I would rather get another 1911.

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    Is all of your in stock .223 ammo FMJ? Can I suggest these for your nuisance critter options for longer distance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by docdozer View Post
    Honestly, I am not sold on the shotgun at this point. I think the AR or the Winnie trumps it for my use. I would rather get another 1911.
    .30-30 and .223 have you covered in long guns. No reason to go .308 with the quantity and (I assume)experience you have with the .30-30.

    Not everyone likes, or justifiably "needs" a shotty, but it is the poor man's subgun. Lots of thoughts and discussion on the topic, but essentially, shottys are made to deliver a sizeable payload of multiple projectiles in a modest area of target. 00 buck is roughly equivalent (in most respects-it is obviously lacking in range) to 3 3-round bursts from an MP-5.

    Equally, you'll be able to procure 12g for longer and with less restriction, than any of the rifle calibers (assuming scenarios similar to GB and Australia.) Shottys are highly modular, and may be long, unweildy, low capacity duck guns; transitioned in 3 minutes to 6-9 shot 18" CQB weapons. Just a couple of other thoughts for you to consider.

    A .22LR rifle is nice in that it is relatively quiet and inexpensive, but a Buckmark or MkII with a 6" or 10" barrel is really as useful and more concealable/packable in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob72 View Post
    Not everyone likes, or justifiably "needs" a shotty, but it is the poor man's subgun. Lots of thoughts and discussion on the topic, but essentially, shottys are made to deliver a sizeable payload of multiple projectiles in a modest area of target. 00 buck is roughly equivalent (in most respects-it is obviously lacking in range) to 3 3-round bursts from an MP-5.

    Equally, you'll be able to procure 12g for longer and with less restriction, than any of the rifle calibers (assuming scenarios similar to GB and Australia.) Shottys are highly modular, and may be long, unweildy, low capacity duck guns; transitioned in 3 minutes to 6-9 shot 18" CQB weapons. Just a couple of other thoughts for you to consider.
    What he said! Gotta have one. Leave it someplace handy in case you can't get to your other weapons quickly too.

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    I'm comfortable with the .30-30, accurate at 200 yards (with iron sights as well). I haven't done much shooting beyond that, but that's partly why I added the scope. I have done no long distance with the AR. I originally got it for closer range protection but I was out front the other day when I realized I might want longer distance.

    Ramrod, most of my ammo is FMJ but I have a few hundred rounds of 45gr JHP winchester. I haven't tried it on flesh and blood though. How well does it work, and on what size varmint?

    The critical varmints that I have are coyotes, the neighbors pit bulls that lunge at my horses, and the upright kind. I have caught someone scoping out my stuff once already. Although we live out in farm country, there is a lot of theft and drugs. There was a major drug bust a mile from my house ( million dollars worth of meth). One of us is home almost all the time and we have 4 dogs which helps.

    However, last night I armed myself and went to check on the house I own next door ( it's an abandoned farm house) because my wife heard some unusual noises. She thinks I am weird when I slink in the shadows and stay hidden :) Happily it turned out to be nothing.
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    Guess I need to look at a Mossy too then! Sigh, it's always like christmas....
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    Personally, I prefer the Remington 870. You would be amazed at what you can do with the right shotgun and some training.
    No matter what you choose make sure you train for different scenarios and get lots of practice.

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    At night I use a shotgun on the farm. During the day a Winchester 94 in .30-30. The open sights of the lever-gun make shots on varmints that are running easier than if it was scoped. Most shots for me are under 200 yards & at night under 25 yards.
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