5.56 or 7.62 to compliment a 30-30?
This is a discussion on 5.56 or 7.62 to compliment a 30-30? within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; 308 with 165 grain bullet is about 2800 fps. This bullet is a spire point and retains more downrange energy.
30-30 with 170 grain flat ...
October 14th, 2008 09:33 PM
308 with 165 grain bullet is about 2800 fps. This bullet is a spire point and retains more downrange energy.
30-30 with 170 grain flat tip is about 2100 fps. Poor downrange ballistics due to flat tip.
7.62 X 39 is almost exactly equal in energy to the 30-30. An sks with lead tip spire point bullets is a good cheap deer rifle.
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October 14th, 2008 09:33 PM
October 14th, 2008 10:08 PM
I have a potential of up to 2000 ft. max distance to defend so I take it that the 308 is my better choice than the 223 to go with the 30-30 like homefront suggested.
As far as cost goes, my 30-30 WInchester 94 only cost $250. Rather than spending $3000 for a POF 308, is there a cost effective 308 I can get? What about a 308 lever gun?
October 14th, 2008 10:17 PM
Check out the discussions on the Saiga 308. It is built on an AK platform, is relatively inexpensive and is made like a tank. Now that high capacity mags are being made for it, it is extremely versatile.
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October 15th, 2008 12:41 AM
Since You are talking about a POF in .308 (Nice gun) a comperable gun would be A Saiga in .308. As to a Lever Action in .308, The winchester 1895 (hard to find,about $3,000+ now), The Browning BLR in .308 (probably around $800). I personally would go with a Browning BLR
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October 15th, 2008 07:44 AM
I would not go with a Saiga if you're considering the .308 as a longer range cartridge. The Saiga is very dependable and durable (from all accounts), but not so good as a varmint gun.
Add a $200 scope to something like this Savage 11 11F Hunter .308 Winchester : Bolt Action at GunBroker.com and you really have something suited to long shots.
However, I hear nothing but good things about the AR platform for long-range shooting. If you don't mind spending the money, an AR-10 would be very cool for short and long range shooting. You'd probably keep the .30-30 in the closet.
Here's a review from Jeff Quinn:
Bushmaster .308 Rifle
October 15th, 2008 08:20 AM
I say get one of each, then you have all your bases covered.
October 15th, 2008 08:50 PM
Browning BLR is a nice lever for a .308
Originally Posted by MP45CDE
or if you can find an older Savage from when they made levers they are nice and the fact they have a detachable magazine is a plus (used to use one in a .243)
of if you are willing to go to a bolt the new Savages and Tika's are a real nice gun for the price
personally I have a romanian PSL (Dragunov SVD) which is Basically a AK derivative in the old Solviet round of 7.62X54 (comparable to a .308 at a fraction of the cost for ammo) and a Lee Enfield Bolt in .303 also comparable to .308 for a fraction of the cost and both have a good range, Accuracy and stopping power and I would suggest either of them
also have a couple New England Handi riffles in various calibers but beings they are single shot I wouldn't suggest them for Self defense Rifle
This is just from personal experience and luck that I have had with such firearms
October 17th, 2008 09:10 PM
for some good info on 5.56 ck out the ammo oracle at AR15.COM .It has 53 pages of everything you would ever need to know about 5.56 ammo
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