5.56 or 7.62 to compliment a 30-30?

This is a discussion on 5.56 or 7.62 to compliment a 30-30? within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; I'm pretty new at this--been retired for close to 5 years and just recently got into guns for protection/defense. I've only ever shot .22s, the ...

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    5.56 or 7.62 to compliment a 30-30?

    I'm pretty new at this--been retired for close to 5 years and just recently got into guns for protection/defense. I've only ever shot .22s, the M9 Beretta, 1911s, and the M16 series rifles.

    I don't have an M4/AR but I have been looking at them lately.
    I don't mind paying more for a good-quality, reliable one, so I've been looking at POF with their new gas-operated, absolutely amazing uppers.

    But since I have a Winchester 30-30, I'm wondering whether I'd be better off with a POF 308 than a 223.
    This purchase is primarily so that I have a defensive rifle.
    I also have a scoped 30-30 for hunting.

    I guess my question is whether the 30-30 causes damage more like a 223 or a 308.

    Thanks!

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    7.62x51 or 7.62x39?
    I'm wondering whether I'd be better off with a POF 308 than a 223

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    Is there that much difference?! Are you saying that a 7.62x39 is equivalent to a 223 round? --or that it's equivalent to a 308?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP45CDE View Post
    Is there that much difference?! Are you saying that a 7.62x39 is equivalent to a 223 round? --or that it's equivalent to a 308?
    Yes. No. Merely wondering which you wanted to compare. Your post was 5.56 or 7.62 and then in your text you referred to the .308 (7.62x51). Whenever I see a 5.56 vs 7.62 scenario, I automatically think AR vs AK which would be the 7.62x39 and not really comparable to the .308 other than them both being a .30 caliber.

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    So, the new gun would say something to the 30-30 like, "hey there beautiful, I really like what you've done with your stock!".
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    I'm talking about which POF weapon (5.56 or 7.62) would best compliment my 30-30. My 30-30 makes damage equivalent more to which round? If I shoot either round through the POF 308, it doesn't matter which 7.62 round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David in FL View Post
    So, the new gun would say something to the 30-30 like, "hey there beautiful, I really like what you've done with your stock!".
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    Sorry, I just couldn't resist........
    No--the new gun would say, "Hey, wanna see what I can do with a (7.62 or 5.56)? I just need to figure out which gun needs to be saying this to my 30-30.

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    Your 30-30 tops the list of any you are wanting to compare. It's almost in a class by itself. The .308 win would be the closest thing in my opinion, then the 7.62x39 in terms of power.
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    It's more destructive than a 308??

    Then who needs an AR?! You can get an AR chambered in 308!

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    every ammunition (and matching weapon) has its advantages and disadvantages. I'd say a 50bmg trumps, but cost of ammunition, weight of ammunition, duration between rounds fired, recoil, etc are all factors. So personally I like the 7.62x39 (cost of ammunition for practice is a big reason)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP45CDE View Post
    It's more destructive than a 308??

    Then who needs an AR?! You can get an AR chambered in 308!
    The .308 can trump the 30-30 depending on bullet weights. The .308 is faster than the 30-30 and can retain more downrange energy with the right loads. My bad. You can get the Armalite rifles in .308win. Reloading for a semi auto may be limited though and you may be down to using normal factory loads in the 150-168gr range for the .308. The 150-180gr loadings are more common for factory loads in the 30-30 although still the slower mover. When most of us think of the AR-15 platform, we tend to think about the 5.56 cartridge more specifically. Good point to debate though...about the .308 vs 30-30. I may get shot down over it...but so be it. Won't be the first, won't be the last. As for the 7.62x39 and the .308 (7.62x51)...comparisons should be very limited. Everything here still depends a lot on your intended usage of whichever caliber you choose.

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    I actually looked at this with the comparison being 7.62x39 vs. the .30-30. I found that, on paper at least, these two looked to be the most comparable. I decided to go with the .30-30 for my next rifle. That will leave me with .22LR, .223, .30-30, and .308 for rifles. This selection will cover me for everything up to large North American game and ranges out to 600+ yards.

    As to your original question regarding a .223 vs. .308 to compliment your .30-30… It depends on your purpose. If you are looking for a hunting caliber, or a longer range caliber, I would go with the .308. If you are looking for a plinker that can double for small to medium game then I would go with the .223. If you are looking for SD, then it depends on your environment, but if you are in an urban setting where the houses are only 15 – 20 feet apart ANY rifle will be too much due to over penetration.

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    I have a Marlin 336SS/30-30, and I topped off the collection with a AR-15 in .223. It's all I need. (.223 is pretty reasonable)

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    Assuming you're trying to keep your rifle selection simple, I would choose the .308, mainly because it uses the same diameter bore as the .30-30 (.308 bore, .309 bullets). I could use the same bullets, and the same powders, for handloading for both rifles (the 7.62x39 uses a .310 bore, and .311 bullets).
    The .308 in a good bolt action, with a suitable scope, is a candidate for good accuracy (minute of pie plate) at 500+ yards. It is more powerful by a good margin than the .30-30. This would compliment your 30-30 (levergun, I presume), which would be used for closer, 150-yards-or-less rapid fire shooting with open sights. I have a Williams peep (aperture) on my Winchester 94, and it gives me a quick sight picture, and is pretty accurate out to 100 yards.

    I have a pair of .30-30 leverguns, an SKS (which only comes in 7.62x39), a .38-55 levergun, a .357 levergun, a .41 mag levergun, a CZ bolt action in .204 Ruger, and various kinds of handguns in various calibers. I hand load for all, so I'm not at all limited by what's on the store shelves.

    If I could only keep 2 of my current rifles for protective purposes or SHTF circumstances, I would choose:

    1) the SKS - a very robust, reliable, inexpensive and accurate rifle whose ammunition is cheap and deadly;

    2) the CZ bolt gun in .204 - very good at hitting things at 400+ yards.

    Your potential .30-30/.308 arrangement would serve much the same short/long range purpose.

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    I did the exact same thing with the same weapons:

    Marlin 336 30/30 (scoped)
    AR15 K16 (bull barrel) .223/.556 (scoped)

    Next on my list is an SKS.

    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I have a Marlin 336SS/30-30, and I topped off the collection with a AR-15 in .223. It's all I need. (.223 is pretty reasonable)

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