Recommend a HD Shotgun

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    Recommend a HD Shotgun

    So I am in the market for a HD shotgun. You can check one of my reasons why here:

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...ast-night.html

    I've done a bit of research but am still a bit unsure of what to go for.
    My budget is $300-$400 tops total. I am also left handed so safety access and shell ejection is a concern.

    I am pretty much sold on adding Knoxx specops telescoping stock with the pistol grip for a few reasons. First, I like the ability to dial in the stock length. Second, after handling a few pump action shotguns I feel like the pistol grip adds a level of stability when used along with a stock in regards to cycling the action. I wouldn't want a pistol grip alone. Third, of course the recoil reducing benefit.

    So I have looked at the Mossberg 500s, the Remington 870s, and just now read some good reviews on the Ithaca 37.
    First off - Do I really need a left handed model in terms of shell ejection? If so is the Ithaca a solid gun? It has bottom ejection so I'm not sure if that will reduce the reliability of the gun or not.
    Second off - Safety access. I tested a few guns today, and when there is a pistol grip and a stock you need to completely change your grip to deactivate it anyway right?
    Finally - Guage. 12 or 20?

    I appreciate any feedback you all are willing to offer.
    Thanks in advance!

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    i just bought my first HD shotgun, rem 870 express 18.5" 7 round mag/tube, $299 at sportsmans warehouse, you should be able to find one for that give or take 15 bucks, i like like the proven platform of the 870, funny thing my father was just telling me a story about when he bought a new 870 in the 1980's and hit a huge pot hole and the new 870 went flying out the window and busted the stock, after some duct tape they finished the hunt with the taped up 870 working fine...

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    Its tough to beat the 870 express for value and aftermarket parts if you want to ninja it up a bit.

    No, you dont need a left handed model. Just tip the port downward slightly as you cycle the action... no problems.

    I'm not a big fan of the pistol grips or "recoil reduction" stocks and don't want to sidetrack the thread You have already discovered one problem with them so thats as far as I'll go with that.

    IMO, 12 gauge is the only way to go. There is a lot more ammo selection and availabilty in the 12.
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    Out of the three choices you've listed, I'd take the Ithaca 37 any day of the week. Personally, I don't see one like I had before in the budget. Therefore, you'll need to decide the pros and cons of the Mossberg 500/590 and the Remington 870. Each can be had in the basics, or incremental upgrades. This time around, I'm going for an 870 standard 7 shot. I already plan on replacing the fore end and eventually, a tritium front post. Once you have the shotgun, the mods can always come later. Get shotgun #1 priority. Plenty of time to figure out things later. Aftermarket as well as factory parts for all three of those are rather prominent on the market. The Ithaca may be the least popular, but in my opinion...the best.

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    My wife and have about a six inch difference in minimum vs. maximum length of pull. More like 12" for ideal LOP difference. So we bought a Mossberg 500 Special Purpose Tactical with the collapsible stock it's almost right for both of us.



    The only thing I've done to it is add a pressure switch activated light and a red fiber optic front bead. She's got a few thousand rounds through her in a couple tactical courses and she's been utterly reliable.
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    So far it looks like a few more votes for the 870 over the Mossberg. To me the pro's of the Mossberg are the lower cost and the tang safety (this is only a benefit it there is no pistol grip though) From the research I have done the benfits of the 870 are smoother action and a little better fit and finish, but at a few more bucks.
    The budget I have in mind is for the gun and any stock options (Knoxx or other) and a few boxes of shells. I would eventually add some sort of light and maybe different sights, etc.

    So if anyone wants to open up the pistol grip debate I'm all ears.
    I know I definitely want a stock (read way to many posts here and elsewhere that recommend agains the PG only). Anyone care to share the pros and cons of the PG/Stock combo vs. just a stock? I'm totally open to suggestions.

    Thanks for the replies

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    Let me throw in a different option...a Stoeger Coach gun.
    A double barrel 12ga...
    A different option for movement around the house. Easy/quick loading/unloading...no jams...two quick shots of 00 buck...and very intimidating side-by-side barrels.
    I can grab the handle and let my hand hang down...the barrel doesn't touch the floor.
    Do you really think that you're going to need more than two 00 buck shots inside the home? You might, but if two shots doesn't do it, you've got bigger problems. You should also have your pistol on your side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Let me throw in a different option...a Stoeger Coach gun.
    A double barrel 12ga...
    A different option for movement around the house. Easy/quick loading/unloading...no jams...two quick shots of 00 buck...and a very intimidating side-by-side barrels.
    I can grab the handle and let my hand hang down...the barrel doesn't touch the floor.
    Do you really think that you're going to need more than two 00 buck shots inside the home? You might, but if two shots doesn't do it, you've got bigger problems. You should also have your pistol on your side.

    Stay armed...defend the homefront...stay safe!

    That's a thought I hadn't considered. Thanks for the perspective.
    BTW your avatar is great.

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    So if anyone wants to open up the pistol grip debate I'm all ears.
    I've been down the pistol grip road before. With or without a full length stock. I know now that pistol grips are not for me or my choice of shotguns. If you're thinking the pistol grip will help mitigate recoil, it's possible to a certain extent. Best thing to do is shoulder the shotgun properly and it won't be that much of an issue and you can retain the intended balance of such firearm. Again...BG's not going to faint at the sight of your pretty/tacticool equalizer. Want something with a pistol grip as was intended? Get an AOW SBS like a 12" or 14" 12ga 4 or 5 shot. Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarguy View Post
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    So if anyone wants to open up the pistol grip debate I'm all ears.
    I know I definitely want a stock (read way to many posts here and elsewhere that recommend agains the PG only). Anyone care to share the pros and cons of the PG/Stock combo vs. just a stock? I'm totally open to suggestions.

    Thanks for the replies
    Okay, I'll cart it out. Oops actually RR beat me to it.



    There we go.

    I like both - pistol grip with stock, and traditional stock. I have never been able to find a difference between the two in terms of shooting.
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    Ok - so based on this feedback I'm thinking an 870. I'll probably just save some money and keep it stock for a while, and maybe add the Knoxx stock later on.
    In all reality I'll probably just spend that money on shells and some accessories I need, wait a week or two for the wife vengence to wear off and then buy the Knoxx - if there isn't a big difference in firing I'm sure I can get at least most of my money back out of the Knoxx.

    Thanks again for the replies.

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    I only had skeet and trap shotguns . . . until a few weeks ago, when a buddy convinced me that a deal on an 870 Police shotgun was too good to pass up. Local gun shop took in some 870s from the local PD. They were selling them out for $299 or $399 with a Surefire light and pressure switch. I got the last one of the bunch. It's seen very little use and weighs a LOT (much heavier than my 1100 I think) . . . all steel.

    You might look for police trade-ins. Most shotguns sit in the rack at the PD or in a cruiser and see very little use.

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    I just got a new 870, 18.5" barrel 12 Ga a few months ago. I put a side saddle shell holder on and then realized that their redesigned forend would not clear it. Had to take the forend off my new, unfired shotgun and cut it down. Went shooting with a few guys from the range. One of the other guys had a new 870 identical to mine. Both guns shot exceptionally accurately with Federal Premuim Low Recoil 00 Buck. Have fun with your new toy!

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    so many hd"s you get dizzzy

    i went looking for a hd and looked at escorts,mavericks and pardners all around 200.00 and my buddy said the owner just got 12 winchester 1200 ex police in from auction and i got to pick through and found one i liked ,he said hows 150.00 i said ill take it,18"barrell works smooth as butter.tags on them said west memphis police dept.sometimes used is the way to go,good luck.

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    I shoot mossbergs. i like the location of the safety. I've shot the 870s too and they are great. If you set on putting the knoxx stocks, the 870 is probably better because you don't really have to change your grip whereas you have to change it with the mossberg. i thought about putting the knoxx stocks with the mossberg mainly due to the length of pull but decided against it because I like where the mossberg safety's location better.

    in my research, the NEF pardner is a well made shotgun for the price. don't flame me guys because i do know that they are made in China. IIRC it is clone of the 870.
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