This is a discussion on Pistol Caliber Carbine or not??? within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by BAC Good .223 or 5.56 personal defense ammo is going to penetrate a lot less than your .45s... -B what world are ...
One where actual use has shown handgun ammo, even hollowpoints, performs like ball when it hits wall material (that means it keeps on going). That same world coincidentally sees personal defense ammo in .223 and 5.56 to be generally poor against barriers, as the round already has a tendency to fragment and many of those good defensive loads enhance fragmenting or spreading. That world also sees more law enforcement moving away from pistol caliber submachine guns for SWAT use towards 5.56 rifles, and it's not because of a sales pitch.
If you use M193 or M855 for personal defense, shame on you; folks who aren't limited by the Hague Convention aren't using them for a good reason. Any round good enough to stop a person carries the risk of going through most walls. The .223 and 5.56 simply carry a slightly reduced risk of doing so compared to most pistol rounds.
I'll stick to my Marlin 1894C and SW 28HP. 158gr SJHP's out of either will get the job done, plus I don't have to worry about having enough magazines. Anything inside 100yds with either is in for some hurt. This is also my B.O.B. along with a SW 66 2.5" for CCW needs.
Marlin Camp 9 is a great little carbine, if you like the Marlin Model 60 .22's or the Ruger 10/22 you will like like these 9mm rifles. Size and handling wise it kind of reminds me of an M1 Carbine. It also uses S&W Model 59 pistol mags which are relatively cheap and readily avalible.
Last edited by pirate; November 5th, 2008 at 10:54 AM.
When I leave the home port:
S&W 642 Airweight, Ruger SP 101, Colt Detective Spec., CZ RAMI, Kahr PM9, Kahr CW40, S&W Model 10-7, Glock 30, 19, and 26, Browning Hi Power, CZ82, Colt Commander, Dan Wesson PM7, Ruger LCP
I have the Storm, one of the joys of shooting it is the cost, reloading pistol bullets is easy and cheap, which means you shoot more.