December 13th, 2008 07:29 PM
Help with big game rifle?
I am looking into getting a rifle for large game. Such as brown bear. Looking for a rifle that is well under a $1000. Also one that has good ammo availability/cost. Not something I will shoot very much just something I want to have if needed. Thanks
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December 13th, 2008 07:37 PM
What type of distance will you be shooting? Open sights or optics?
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December 13th, 2008 07:58 PM
Marlin 1895M in .450 Marlin. Good for anything on dry land.
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December 13th, 2008 08:25 PM
You live in S. FL, I used to live in AK.
For hunting brown bears I would recommend a grenade launcher from a helocopter. (wear brown hunting pants)
I found part of an article for you...
Five Seconds of Pure Terror
I once read that hunting grizzly and brown bear is really nothing more than days of boredom followed by five seconds of pure terror. A truer statement has never been made. Often the hunt consists of nothing more than glassing, glassing, glassing while waiting, waiting, waiting in weather that is marginal, bad, or worse. It's easy to get bored stiff. Then, seemingly out of nowhere a bear appears. When it does, the hackles on the back of your neck come to full attention, your palms start to sweat, your heart begins to race. You begin to doubt your courage, your ability to keep your cool and make the shot.
When you do, and you sit beside the most magnificent game animal of them all, stroking that lush hide, feeling those powerful shoulders and dagger-like front claws, it's a feeling of euphoria that is impossible to explain. Try it sometime, and you'll see what I mean.
When hunting both mountain grizzlies and brown bears, it is important to shoot the largest caliber rifle you can shoot well. It is much better to use a bit less rifle you are comfortable with than a heavy caliber that makes you flinch and shoot poorly. For mountain bears, a .30-06 would be my minimum, with the various .300 magnums even better and the .338 Win. and Ultra magnums, and .340 Wby. Mag., superb. For brown bears it is tough to beat the venerable .375 H&H Magnum, though some folks use .338's and some jump up tone of the .416's. Personally, when hunting mountain bears I use a custom Remington Model 700 with synthetic stock and stainless metalwork in .300 Win. Mag. and loaded with either a 180-grain Nosler Partition or Winchester Fail-Safe bullet topped with a 2.5-10X scope. For brown bears I have a Remington Model 700 KS Mountain rifle on which I shortened the barrel to 21-inches and added a muzzle brake, topped with a 1.5-6X Bausch & Lomb Elite scope loaded with factory ammo featuring either the 270-grain Remington Core-Lokt or 300-grain Nosler Partition bullet.
Taxonomically, both the coastal brown bear and mountain, or interior, grizzly, are the same animal.
The importance of a well-placed first shot cannot be overemphasized. Three times I have had the "pleasure" of helping the clients of one of my outfitter friends trailing poorly-hit interior bears into mountainside alder patches so thick you can barely walk through them. Each time the bear has come for us, and so far we've been able to stop him before he got to us. So far. I wouldn't want to make my living doing this, though.
Stay armed...enjoy the hunt...stay (home) safe!
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December 13th, 2008 09:18 PM
How about a Garand from CMP? .30-06 isn't too weak for a bear is it?
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December 13th, 2008 09:20 PM
I would look at Savage in 338 win. mag, good rifle and affordable.
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December 13th, 2008 09:53 PM
It would be hard to beat a good bolt action chambered for the .338 Winchester Magnum. Flat shooting and hard hitting even at long ranges. The recoil is manageable.
I'm not too keen on magnum rifle cartridges with less than .30 bore diameter. They don't really do anything that a .270 Winchester, .280 Remington, or .30-06 can't accomplish with equal aplomb. The .30 magnums begin to throw enough bullet weight to make a difference and the .338 Win. Magnum is even more worth while. I'm of the opinion that the .338 Win. Magnum is the next logical step up in big game effectiveness from the .30-06 (my personal all time favorite).
My brother-in-law has a Howa .338 Win. Magnum and I'm well impressed with it. I have a Winchester Model 70 .375 H&H Magnum and while it's powerful and accurate it soon ceases to be a novelty when extended firing sessions are conducted.
December 13th, 2008 09:59 PM
If it was me I would go for the 375 H&H. The CZ 550 American Magnum is affordable. I have one and mine is very accurate.
December 13th, 2008 10:02 PM
Remington model 700 300 Ultra Mag. It has plenty of hitting power and is a great long distance weapon. It comes in many finishes and stock materials at a very fair price.
December 13th, 2008 11:33 PM
Are you talking Coastal brown/Kodiak bears or the inland grizzly? Kodiak and coastal brown bears grow much larger than grizzly. For brown I would say 338 Win Mag at a minimum. For grizz 30 cal magnums are sufficient.
As far as ammo availability here in bush Alaska (that is, off the road system) you're safe if stick with the common calibers. 30-06, 300 win mag, 338 win mag can be found pretty easily in the smaller village stores. It would stink to pay big to come up and hunt only to have the airlines loose your bag with the ammo. I've never seen 300 Ultra mag, or any of the short mag calibers out here.
December 14th, 2008 12:28 AM
Great advice so far, he just forgot to give out advice on the gun. Ruger SS / Composite . Bear country can be brutal. Ruger also has the best scope mounts, less screws and parts to work loose.
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