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    ok, i've decided i want an ar-15. i don't know a lot about them, but i have done some research and have narrowed down my options to probably a 16" barrel with the telestock and i like the A4 model because of the option to mount some kind of optic down the road. but to start out i want the carrying handle.

    my first question is, what is an m4 when talking about ar-15's?

    my second question is, what brand? i know that's a loaded question, but i don't know who makes quality ar's and who makes low quality ones. i don't even know of all the names out there. is rra a good gun, bushmaster? i'm probably using it for plinking mostly so i don't need a super expensive one.

    thanks for your suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyshot View Post
    ok, i've decided i want an ar-15. i don't know a lot about them, but i have done some research and have narrowed down my options to probably a 16" barrel with the telestock and i like the A4 model because of the option to mount some kind of optic down the road. but to start out i want the carrying handle.

    my first question is, what is an m4 when talking about ar-15's?
    The M16 rifle and the M4 carbine are the standard fighting rifle platforms for the U.S.

    The M4 has a 14.5" barrel with a light contour under the hand guard and a notch in front of the FSB for a grenade launcher.

    Most of the "M4" AR-15's you'll look at are a 16" barrel with a notch cut for a grenade launcher so that it will look like an M4 but be legal with a removable flash hider.

    I have one M4 style AR-15 for HD. I picked it because with a 14.5" barrel and a permanently (welded) attached flash hider it's exactly 16" long and I wanted the shortest possible platform for maneuvering through the house. If I could have found one at the same price, I'd have gone with a standard barrel in that length with a permanent flash hider because the M4 profile does nothing for me.
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    This is a tough time to decide to buy an AR-15. Prices are a bit high at the moment as you may have seen. Some rifles that would have gone for $600 or so will now be selling for $900, and rifles that sold for $1250 are selling for $1650.

    There are a multitude of brands out there - I would guess about 30 - that are putting out ARs. Maybe 10 of them are great quality, 5 are total crap, and 15 are just fine for almost any normal use. Buying a new gun as opposed to one that someone built as cheaply as possible in their garage would be a good first step. Since you are planning on using it for plinking it shouldn't matter too much what you choose - if you have problems you can send it back under warranty - not that you are likely to have problems because I don't think you are.

    Take some time and read around a bit - there are lots of brand disputes, and some good technical knowledge - I would suggest ar15.com and m4carbine.net for a start. But don't take too much time because I doubt prices will be going down very much, and they may continue to rise.

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    thanks for the replies. i have signed up an account at ar-15.com. looks like there will be alot of useful info there.

    another question, what is a two stage trigger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyshot View Post
    thanks for the replies. i have signed up an account at ar-15.com. looks like there will be alot of useful info there.

    another question, what is a two stage trigger?
    Single stage = the pull of the trigger is firm until it breaks

    Two stage = the pull of the trigger is light, then firm very briefly before it breaks.

    I personally don't like two stage triggers, but they are nice for long distance shooting (which I do little to none of the time).
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    M4Carbine is also another great site to learn about the AR platform rifles.

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    RRA 2 stage trigger works where you take up the slack in the trigger as soon as the trigger feels resistance the next little squeeze drops the hammer
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    If you get serious like I did, reading up on them etc, I decided to build my own and will only spend around $800 for the rifle when done. I got a stripped lower for $175, a parts kit for the lower for $90, stock for $40 and I'll add the upper for about $500. Just be patient on getting parts, they're hard to come by right now.
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    Don't forget your bolt carrier group ada229!

    A two stage trigger is an unnecessary "upgrade" to the trigger pull. Usually costs a bunch of money. If you want to spend extra money on a trigger the best triggers are made by Gieselle (or something like that).

    I was putting together a few uppers today during my spare time at work - it is not hard at all to build your own rifle, but it will cost about $100 in tools for an initial investment unless you can borrow some tools from a friend.

    The easiest thing to do when choosing an AR is buy a Colt and don't look back. (I haven't done it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aus71383 View Post
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    The easiest thing to do when choosing an AR is buy a Colt and don't look back. (I haven't done it)
    ...or a Noveske, or an LMT.

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    Yes absolutely - but the easiest to choose is Colt. You have to read and understand to choose LMT or Noveske. Colt you just drink the Kool-Aid!

    Austin

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    The upper will be complete. The local gun show this weekend had them, bolt carrier group, charging handle and all for around $500. A3 flat top, T marks,
    16" CAR barrel, A2 flash hider etc. All around, I'm glad I made the decision to go the build it yourself route. It saves between $200-$300 I figure.
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    thanks for the advice there. i'll do some more reading in that case.

    does buying all the parts from several different manufacurers make the gun less reliable?

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