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    Cool!!

    Good stuff!! When will Obama put watermelons on the endangered species list and prohibit the "hunting"of them!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc3169 View Post
    ..........And he was wrong about why the watermelons blew up. It was all velocity. A slug is not going to expand sufficiently in a watermelon at those ranges to make any difference...............
    Sorry, but can't agree with that theory.
    Not trying to imply these were the rounds used in the video, only showing them as a representative sample. Velocity difference is only 15 fps so it's obvious there's more at play than velocity and since both bullets are the same diameter that can only leave bullet weight and bullet design. Even though the velocities are virtually the same, the extra 27 grains of bullet weight for the 30-30 does give it an additional 362 ft. lbs. of energy but my informal shooting at some rotten grapefruits with .223 FMJ and V-Max bullets of the same weight does indeed show that bullet design can have a dramatic effect. An interesting test would be to use some 7.62X39 FMJ on a watermelon and then something like the Federal Power-Shok 7.62X39 on the same type of target to see the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    That old man "Uncle Fudd" as you referred to was (Neal Knox) who is a big reason you are still allowed to have guns at all, and a legend in the pro-gun community. Neal was a big force in keeping the anti-gun legislature in check over the years. He's dead now, so are you going to take his place in the fight with Washington & Obama "the chosen one"?

    While his demonstration was ill conceived as it was, and I understand all that, he was a driving force in keeping guns in the hands of Americans for more than 30 years. A lot more than any of us has done.
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    I think the video did exactly what it was meant to do. It realistically demonstrated the effective power of various calibers.

    No a watermellon isn't used in ballistics testing. But, it does show the engergy and destructive potential of the various calibers. He wasn't trying to show ballistics, he was trying to have a visual presentation that disproves the article in the newspaper that was saying how powerful a 7.62x39 round was.

    Substitute the guns he was using for explosive charges. If he had stuck a black cat firecracker in the watermellon and set it off, then put an old M-80 in one all the way up to a stick of dynamite it would have easily shown the power of each charge.

    Most people don't understand ballistics. I would say that most shooters don't understand ballistics, energy, expansion etc. Sometimes a good visual presentation goes a long way to explain things that many can't get their heads around.

    Oh, and I have never heard of the guy before either, but what he demonstrated still holds water.
    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    The video was created to graphically demonstrate a single point, that, relatively, the "power" of the 7.62 x 39mm cartidge is highly exaggerated. The watermelons were used because they react dramatically. It wasn't intended to be a formal ballistics evaluation, nor a comparison of weapons platforms. Furthermore, the target audience was individuals who aren't knowledgeable about weapons, to whom an exploding watermelon might have more of an impact. Consider it to be the most basic of primers, which might cause an individual to think twice before spouting off about the "devastating" AK round.

    KevinDooley, your age has nothing to do with whether you're able to evaluate the relative merit of the video. You just seem to have missed the point, which may indicate something else, entirely. And to call the late Neal Knox a "fudd" just shows a lack of knowledge and context. I'd recommend a bit more research on your part before making such misinformed declarations.

    Here's a couple of links, the first of which explains the context of the video, the second of which tells a bit more about Neal Knox, the individual.

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    Sorry, but can't agree with that theory.
    Not trying to imply these were the rounds used in the video, only showing them as a representative sample. Velocity difference is only 15 fps so it's obvious there's more at play than velocity and since both bullets are the same diameter that can only leave bullet weight and bullet design. Even though the velocities are virtually the same, the extra 27 grains of bullet weight for the 30-30 does give it an additional 362 ft. lbs. of energy but my informal shooting at some rotten grapefruits with .223 FMJ and V-Max bullets of the same weight does indeed show that bullet design can have a dramatic effect. An interesting test would be to use some 7.62X39 FMJ on a watermelon and then something like the Federal Power-Shok 7.62X39 on the same type of target to see the difference.

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    +1 to you all guys - good clarification on the purpose of the video.

    It really doesn't matter what the factors are that make the difference, the point he was making was that there is a difference, a big difference.

    So what was he supposed to use to illustrate the differences in bullets to the average guy? I think the watermelons were a brilliant choice for most eople. Most people don't have a clue what ballistic gel is, what it represents or anything else. But just about everybody knows what a watermelon is and it is spectacular when shot with a high energy round.

    People got to see what a AK round would do, and how it compared to hunting rounds. I think he erased any doubt in anyone's mind that the AK would 'blow a deer apart' as claimed in the article he referenced at the beginning of the video.

    They also got to see the difference in a pistol round and any rifle round.
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    I think it was a good example that guns regardless how menacing they look is not the danger.

    And by comparing it to very day hunting rifles, he wanted to show those watching the video that an AK is just another rifle, and in fact lesser than the normal hunting rifle they grew up around.

    Oh, ya that’s why I keep a 30-30 or shotgun nearby…

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    The video was OBVIOUSLY not designed for the informed shooter. They were all aware of 98% of what they saw prior to viewing it. The video was aimed at the voting public with roughly zero comprehension of which end of the bullet leaves and which end stays in the weapon. To them the most graphic demonstration works the best. And I too agree that if you aren't aware who fought for your rights when you were too young to do it for yourself you need to keep your opinions in that area to yourself.

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    I stopped killing watermelons a long time ago.......they just don't put up much of a challenge......they just sit there.
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    Just remember: When watermelons are outlawed . . .
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