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Sure, get the Marlin, I own several used mainly for cowboy action shooting, but great guns, especially after a bit of slicking up. With a bit of practice they can run pretty fast. Know a couple of cowboy can put out 10 rds in 2 seconds, hitting their targets too.
I have a Winchester 94 in 30-30 that I can flip through 5 shots in 6 inches at 50 yards in just about 4 seconds. I've practiced with it a lot, hey, it's a cowboy gun.
I love the AR but it is more expensive, still saving now for one.
I have a Mossy Shot gun also, and really believe in it but I'm the only person in the house that will use it because of the recoil. Wife and daughter both said no after a couple shots.
BTW - as to the OP, the Stoeger 12ga double gun is gonna kick pretty good for a smaller person or woman, even with bird shot. With Buckshot, well you can figure that out. I've had two of them and they are durable and simple to use, but after 100 rnd clays shoot, my shoulder would be sore for a few days. The 20ga wasn't bad at all, mainly becuase it is built a lot heavier than a 20ga sxs should be built.
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But no where did you mention anything about practice. Many would make the mistake and assume you might have meant something else.
I honestly don't think that you could go wrong with any of the three choices. All three can be used to great effect as a HD weapon.
The stoeger coachgun's are great weapons. They feel really nice in your hands, are and very maneuverable inside structures. The downsides to it are the capacity, and the recoil. The kick is pretty stout, although you could use reduced recoil rounds. Also after you load the weapon the safety is automatically in the safe mode, which is something to consider because in a stressful situation it could be forgotten. Also you have to ingrain in the mind that just because there are two triggers doesn't mean you have two trigger fingers (my younger brother forgot this the first time he shot it and dumped both barrels pretty much simultaneously, which makes recoil worse.)
With the lever action you get the benefits of common ammo, and it is also a rather pc weapon. I'd stick with the .357 as opposed to the .30-30. Nothing against the .30-30, it's great for hunting and whatnot. But with the .357 you will increase magazine capacity, and still have a powerful enough round to end the threat.
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After the purchase, I had it reworked...one item fixed was the auto safety, and now it's no longer an auto safety (manual safety only)...perfectly safe...lots of other things done, too! It's a sweet gun for around the home.
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I like having an AR for HD. I have a shotgun that is a backup as well. Here's why I like the AR though.
30 round magazines.
Devastating terminal ballistics. A lever action does not even come close to comparing. If you aren't getting rifle velocities, you just can't do what a rifle can do. A shotgun comes close only because of the amount of impacts per shot - it makes holes but does not destroy tissue like a rifle will.
Less penetration through walls etc. than any lever gun would have. Lighter bullets means less penetration, goes through fewer walls. Shotguns are good in this respect as well.
Almost no recoil. My wife can shoot this gun fast and it is very comfortable to shoot.
Ease of use. It is ergonomically designed, and with a red dot sight it doesn't get much simpler to aim and fire - no pumping, levering - just squeeze the trigger as many times as you want to shoot. The safety is easier than most shotgun safeties as well.
The Second Amendment - own a gun that would be used by a militia. A militia - whose purpose is fighting with guns - would not choose a lever action or a shotgun - they would choose a magazine fed rifle.
For the price of an AR you can get both a shotgun and a lever action marlin.
If I had to choose just one I would pick the shotgun. If I didn't have to choose I'd get both. In a pinch, however, the shotgun can fill both roles rather well.
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all good choices.
AR is great but a lever action will be the easiest to handle compared to either of the other two and I guarauntee your wife will like that one best.
The shotgun can be VERY versatile with different barrels and even low recoil loads.
The AR is a good weapon period but, again, the lever action will be much more manuverable in my opinion due to the light weight.
I have an AR and shotgun but I want the .357 lever action because I think it's one of the most versatile weapons around. With .357 it'll take deer at reasonable ranges, does good for SD and can be affordable for plinking and range work and the recoils is modest even with the heaviest .357 loads.
I have my dealer trying to get one. He has one customer ahead of me. I know it could be 3 months or even a year but he'll get me one eventually. So I've put the money aside and will just forget about it because I trust he won't.
There's no other way to buy these popular weapons unless you're willing to pay more than they're worth off the internet. I just did that to get an all stainles S&W J frame that's pre-lock. I purchased a model 60-12 and paid $69 too much plus the shipping and a transfer fee, however, you won't find one of those used around here in any kind of shape, period so it was pay too much or not get one and the question is, will it be cheaper in a year or two? I somehow doubt it.
I just saw a .357 lever on gunsamerica or gun broker but they were asking 550 or so and the wood grain was quite plain.
Buffalo Arms. They may have what you want and I've done business with them before and they are great guys.
Thanks CVhoss, I'll check it out. Their prices are a good 30-40 higher but if you want something, I suppose it's worth more. I'll call and see if they have the 1894C in stock. I'm looking for the .357, 18.5" barrel, round...
While the AR seems to be the best, you gotta worry about penetration. If your using it for HD and you have kids you dont want a .223 blasting through the perp and going into your kids bedroom. I personally use a Mossberg 500 12 ga with an 18 1/2 in. barrel loaded with 00 Buck. My mother is a small little thing but she can handle it long enough to scare off someone.
I think I'm going to go with the shotgun because I can go shoot clay with my family with it. Now I need to figure out which one will fit both my wife and I the best. Probably a 20ga of some kind. I like the Stoegers but it might be too much recoil for my wife.