"Submachine gun" style weapons for home defense

This is a discussion on "Submachine gun" style weapons for home defense within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Bob The Great Good luck finding one of those, never mind the tax stamp. A USC might be an option, but IMO ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob The Great View Post
    Good luck finding one of those, never mind the tax stamp. A USC might be an option, but IMO it's over-priced and too long and unweildy with a 16" barrel.
    ah yes I forgot you have to get a USC instead of the UMP :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEAM View Post
    ah yes I forgot you have to get a USC instead of the UMP :p
    Well, if you know where I can get a transferable UMP for a reasonable price, then 'fess up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob The Great View Post
    Well, if you know where I can get a transferable UMP for a reasonable price, then 'fess up.
    alas I don't and if I did I wouldn't be telling as I would have it

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    How about one of these? It's a victim of the Clinton AWB, the J&R Engineering M68 in 9mm. This one is in very good condition for $1250. It has the dual flash hider- one prong style and the other cone style like the M1 carbine.

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    I was watching one of the gun shows on Outdoor Channel or something last week.

    They shot drywall with a 9mm, a .45 and a 12 ga, both with OO Buck and bird shot.

    The 9, .45 and Buck all penetrated through 3 sets of drywall (equivalent to 3 walls). A SD shooting in your home or apartment would have gone through your BR wall, through the hallway wall, and into and through another room/BR.

    Only the bird shot did not penetrate the first wall.

    So, I am re-thinking my SD options with my shotty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    I was watching one of the gun shows on Outdoor Channel or something last week.

    They shot drywall with a 9mm, a .45 and a 12 ga, both with OO Buck and bird shot.

    The 9, .45 and Buck all penetrated through 3 sets of drywall (equivalent to 3 walls). A SD shooting in your home or apartment would have gone through your BR wall, through the hallway wall, and into and through another room/BR.

    Only the bird shot did not penetrate the first wall.

    So, I am re-thinking my SD options with my shotty.
    same thing done here

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    Accuracy shouldn't really be an issue in home defense, your best chance of success is some buckshot. point and shoot. Plus nothing sounds better than a pump action chambering a shell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravestardmc View Post
    point and shoot.
    The Box O' Truth #20 - Buckshot Patterns - Page 1

    not so point and shoot specially in close range where most home defense happens

    accuracy is always an issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEAM View Post
    The Box O' Truth #20 - Buckshot Patterns - Page 1

    not so point and shoot specially in close range where most home defense happens

    accuracy is always an issue
    One of the things they pointed out on the show the other night was that there was very little spread on a shotgun at typical defense range.

    Still have to aim and hit your target.
    The noise MIGHT scare them off, but would you want to bet your life on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravestardmc View Post
    Accuracy shouldn't really be an issue in home defense, your best chance of success is some buckshot. point and shoot. Plus nothing sounds better than a pump action chambering a shell.
    Yawn...
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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    One of the things they pointed out on the show the other night was that there was very little spread on a shotgun at typical defense range.

    Still have to aim and hit your target.
    The noise MIGHT scare them off, but would you want to bet your life on that?
    exactly

    maybe 3 or 4 inches at HD ranges

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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    ...Only the bird shot did not penetrate the first wall.

    So, I am re-thinking my SD options with my shotty.
    I hope it's because you're using birdshot and decided that if it can't penetrate one layer of drywall it probably won't penetrate a bad guy... cuz if it's the other way around you didn't understand the point of that show I think... LOL
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    unless you use poison darts you aren't gonna stop a bad guy with anything that won't penetrate multiple walls

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    RRA has ar in 40 cal.,who knows the backlog now may be 6 months!
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    I sure like the looks of that Storm... How many scheckles would that run me??!!!

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