M1 Carbine rant

M1 Carbine rant

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    M1 Carbine rant

    Ok, this is part rant, part asking for help, and part WTS. Last summer I bought an M1 Carbine, Plainfield, from a cop in Baltimore. It looks brand new. I want real bad to like this rifle. I'm probably being heretical, here, but I don't really care for black rifles. The M1 Carbine should have everything I need: small, light, ammo is reasonable, supposedly time tested, don't need a ton of accessories hanging off it. Just point and shoot. Yeah, right.
    I have tried three types of mags. I confess that I have not changed springs... yet, but you would think new mags (Korean - CDNN) would work. Sooo,
    A. Should I invest in new springs or top-of-line mags for "one more try with feeling" before selling?
    B. The ramp was polished by a tech but no results.
    C. It is possible that it is not the springs but actually the carbine itself. It jambs every time.
    D. Should I try another M1 Carbine? Suggestions? I am not interested in WWII collectibles.
    E. Should I try another rifle? Maybe bite the bullet and get a black rifle stripped.
    F. Anyone want to buy my Carbine and work on it yourself? I won't sell till I get some feedback first. I'm sure I'll take it in the shorts as I won't pull the same crap the cop did.
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    What ammo are you shooting out of it?

    The M1 Carbine is recoil operated some ammo like Wolf does not have enough power to properly cycle the bolt. You will get FTE's and FTF's

    Stove pipes can be the mag spring but also could be ammo related.

    So how is it jamming?
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    GI mags seem to be the best for running the M1 carbine. Also, the 15 rounders are pretty much the only really reliable magazines in most of the carbines.
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    Fulton Armory makes A1 mags
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    What ammo are you shooting out of it?

    The M1 Carbine is recoil operated some ammo like Wolf does not have enough power to properly cycle the bolt. You will get FTE's and FTF's

    Stove pipes can be the mag spring but also could be ammo related.

    So how is it jamming?
    It is almost always when I jack the first round in. It gets halfway out of the mag. When it does fire, every other one is the same. Halfway out.
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    Are you shooting ball ammo? Did the person you bought it from have problems with it and if not what kind of ammo did he shoot? Are you shooting reloads?
    These are some of the things you can try. hope you have success in solving the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G View Post
    Are you shooting ball ammo? Did the person you bought it from have problems with it and if not what kind of ammo did he shoot? Are you shooting reloads?
    These are some of the things you can try. hope you have success in solving the problem.
    No ball ammo. No cheap stuff. The previous owner "only had it a short while and did not shoot much." Yeah, no kidding. Did not get that info till I inquired about the FTF's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post

    The M1 Carbine is recoil operated
    It's GAS operated, not recoil operated.
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    Plainfields are not USGI Carbines. They are commercial copies and have many non government parts that are not interchangable. They are alos know to be prone to jamming.

    The USGI version is much more reliable.

    This forum might be of more help concerning the plainfield as well as other Carbines:

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    I have National Postal Meter (USGI) and I have shot over 1000 rounds through it (plus whatever it shot during its active duty service) and it hasn't jammed one time since I have owned it.

    And yes, it is gas operated.
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    Well you see that depends on when your plainfield was made really.

    Mine is a plainfield, but has a huge amount of GI parts in it.

    Sounds to me that you either have crappy mags, or the feed ramp is a bit off.

    Also: http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_plainfield.html
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    I've been around M1 Carbines since I was 3 years old in 1960 when I got a whupping for looking at my dad's Carbine in his closet. First gun I ever fired was that same Carbine a few years later. I dearly love the Carbine and consider it to be superior to the AR 15 for most purposes. It puts critters, up to and including Texas whitetails, on the ground quite effectively out to 100 yards or so with good hits. Nothing is truly effective with bad hits.

    I'm going to say that your best bet is to obtain a decent original US military M1 Carbine despite your desire to avoid the "collectibiles." I've not seen a military M1Carbine that was unreliable in the 10-12 with which I've had a shooting encounter through the years. The two M1 Carbine knock-offs I've been around are a split. The Universal was a complete piece of junk and my brother-in-law's 1983 vintage Plainfield was a decent performer though parts aren't interchangeable with military Carbines. The knock-offs of the originals generally don't have a good reputation. I used to think that perhaps the reputation was unwarranted and was only advanced by Carbine snobs who owned originals, but back then the originals didn't really cost any more than the replicas. So, perhaps there's something to the poor reputation of the replicas.

    An M1 Carbine that is in good mechanical condition is a very dependable firearm. Parts still may be obtained inexpensively. I've fired a large number of rounds through both my dad's Carbine and mine and they've been trouble-free.

    Here's a long winded thread I posted here a while back along with some personal photos.

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...0-carbine.html




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    All excellent stuff!! Following the links I was given. Will also give some serious thought to getting a "vintage" Carbine.
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    Plainfield

    I have a couple of Plainfield carbines, the only thing that's not a GI part except for the receiver and barrel is the trigger housing that's made of aluminum. They function just like a GI carbine. I would expect the magazines to be the problem, genuine GI 15 rounders are the best. You might remove the action from the stock and make sure the gas port and tappet are clean, and the working parts like slide, bolt, hammer are working freely. There is a gas port nut wrench made for the carbines
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    I'm going to buy some top of the line mags per the forum's input. If that doesn't work, it's going to the highest bidder. I will check the gas port but because it jambs before the first shot, I lean toward the cheap mag problem. This thread has encouraged me to stay with the carbine. I certainly have a bucket of hard to get ammo for it. I am done screwing around. Anyone have a link to buy good carbine mags? tx!!

    ps. that Underwood is beautiful!
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    It is gas operated, I mis-spoke sorry, brain-fart

    It could be the Recoil Spring


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