.30-06 Springfield vs .308 Winchester

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    .30-06 Springfield vs .308 Winchester

    I am currently looking to purchase a second rifle for long range defense at sea. I travel quite a ways offshore and with the current Pirate situation, I am preparing a new self defense plan for the boat to keep the bad guys at bay.

    I currently have a Savage Model 110 in .30-06 caliber and have found a Remington 700 ADL also in .30-06

    Would I be better off getting a Remington 700 in .308 for this long range situation?

    I have been told by some that the .308 is a better round for long distance, but I am confused why the .30-06 wouldn't be better.

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    They can shoot the same piece of lead. There really isn't a difference depending on the platform your shooting them out of. The top two are 30.06 and the bottom two are .308.

    Cartridge Information
    Index Number Cartridge Type Weight (grs.) Bullet Style Primer No. Ballistic Coefficient
    PRA3006A Premier® AccuTip™ 150 AccuTip™ Boat Tail 9 1/2 0.415
    PRA3006B Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AccuTip™ Boat Tail 9 1/2 0.447
    PRSC308WA Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 150 Swift™ Scirocco™ Bonded 9 1/2 0.435
    PRA308WB Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AccuTip™ Boat Tail 9 1/2 0.447


    Velocity (ft/sec)
    Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
    Premier® AccuTip™ 150 AT BT 2910 2686 2473 2270 2077 1893
    Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT 2800 2597 2403 2217 2039 1870
    Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 150 SSB 2820 2611 2410 2219 2037 1863
    Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT 2700 2501 2311 2129 1956 1792


    Energy (ft-lbs)
    Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
    Premier® AccuTip™ 150 AT BT 2820 2403 2037 1716 1436 1193
    Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT 2872 2470 2115 1800 1523 1281
    Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 150 SSB 2648 2269 1935 1640 1381 1156
    Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT 2670 2292 1957 1661 1401 1176


    Short-Range Trajectory
    Cartridge Type Bullet 50 100 150 200 250 300
    Premier® AccuTip™ 150 AT BT 0.1 0.7 zero -2.0 -5.4 -10.3
    Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT 0.2 0.8 zero -2.1 -5.9 -11.1
    Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 150 SSB 0.0 zero -1.1 -3.6 -7.6 -13.2
    Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT -0.1 zero -1.3 -4.1 -8.5 -14.7


    Long-Range Trajectory
    Cartridge Type Bullet 100 150 200 250 300 400 500
    Premier® AccuTip™ 150 AT BT 1.7 1.5 zero -2.9 -7.4 -21.5 -43.7
    Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT 1.8 1.6 zero -3.2 -7.9 -22.8 -46.2
    Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 150 SSB 1.8 1.6 zero -3.1 -7.8 -22.7 -46.0
    Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT 2.0 1.8 zero -3.4 -8.6 -24.8 -50.1
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    I have rifles for both cartridges. I'd rather go with the .30-06, hand loaded with the heavier .30 bullets for really long range work.
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    Well, I'll be the voice crying in the wilderness.......

    I have shoot 30.06 for years in my M1 Garand. I also had a FN FAL stg58 in 308. I wanted to try to limit the different ammos I had, so I purchased a Savage 11 in 308 and sold all my 30.06. I now have a Main Battle Rifle in 308, and a long range accurate shooter in the Savage, and only one ammo.
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    either or. they are both the same when it come to long range. i use to shoot long range rifle with both cals. they were the same. i could load the 06 a little hotter. the thing to look at is which one can you get ammo for when you are in the states.
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    Its been my understanding that both are very similar and capable cartridges. The biggest difference is that you have more options and selection in 308, but if you load yourself, you can do a little more with the '06.

    I think I prefer the 06, I like my rifle a little hotter than most.
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    As others have said, they're roughly equivalent. The biggest difference is probably that relatively cheap surplus .30-06 is available through the CMP.

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    The difference between the two is only evident once you start using bullets above 180gr. The '06 handles the 180, 200gr, 220gr better. The .308 is in no way better than the '06 IMO. Perhaps a tad more inherent accuracy for the match shooter? Probably not enough to make a practical differrence in your situation.

    What makes the .308 great is that it will pretty much equal the '06 in many instances, with a smaller overall package. Short cartridge, short action rifle.

    168gr and below, inside 500 yds, there ain't enough difference to worry about IMO. Personally I can't see making a shot at over 300 yds from a moving boat, except under the most perfect conditions.
    So at that distance there will be no measurable difference.


    If you already have an '06 then stick with that. Why would you want to have to keep two different types of ammo on board when you don't have to? Remember the K.I.S.S. principle.
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    Go with the .30-06, IMO.

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    The only advantage that the O6 has over the .308 is that the .308 is pretty well maxed out with 180 grain bullets. There just isnt enough space left if the case for anymore powder to push a bigger bullet.

    The '06 can shoot 220's and even 240's.

    The average difference between speed is only around 50 FPS and that it totally dependent on the type of powder used

    Something else to consider.
    The '06 is a long cartridge and needs a long action to work.
    The .308 uses a medium action, and the rifles tend to be a bit lighter.

    The .308 uses powder in a more efficient manner, that it why is it used on the benchrest circuits. Any powder works better when the loading density is kept high, meaning that no space is in the cartridge. The .30-06 has lots of space left in it,so the burn isnt as efficient.

    If I had to have just one, (I have several of each) I would go with the .308.
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    The .30-06 can make beneficial use of the powders such as IMR 4350 and slower in full case charge weights, gaining reasonable velocity increases with the heavy bullets over the .308. Of course such loads aren't suitable for the M1 rifle due to high port pressures stressing the op rod.
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    Both are identical 30 cal bore, the 308 case is just a shortened 30-06 case (30-06 case is the parent case for a lot of cartridges-270, 308, 280, 243, 25-06, and a lot more.)

    If you look at the charts that the manufactures supply, you will see the 30-06 will equal anything the 308 will at about an additional 100 yards.

    While the 308 is a fine cartridge, I would buy the 06


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    I agree with everything HotGuns said. Well said.
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    Considering your premise as an offshore issue against pirates, I'd get a 308 battle rifle. I have an AR-10 and would feel extremely comfortable at most ranges up to 300 yards and it is highly accurate with just an Aimpoint red dot at 100 yards. I'm sure it would be adequate even out way beyond 300 yards if necessary though. Plenty of firepower with two-20 round mags bundled together. I use a 30-06 for deer with Hornady light magnum rounds which have excellent ballistics but people are much easier to drop than a deer. I'd think any 308 semi auto would be an excellent choice for your situation.
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    I like the Remington 700 BDL with a heavy barrel because you can shoot it all day without any change in accuracy due to heating up. Make sure you invest in the highest quality 'scope you can buy. In some ways, that's more important than the "launch vehicle".
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