12 ga. Home Defense-Buckshot Only? (Dupe threads merged)

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    12 Ga. #4 Buck for me......can't beat 42 pellets per round.
    same here.

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    Birdshot is for the birds. Use buckshot or slugs.
    I will support gun control when you can guarantee all guns are removed from this planet. That includes military and law enforcement. When you can accomplish that, then I will be the last person to lay down my gun. Then I will carry the weapon that replaces the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majorlk View Post
    Read the following ...

    The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - Page 1

    Especially the summary at the end about birdshot as a defensive round.

    Basically, birdshot is for birds; buckshot is for humans. :)
    If that test is true, then a 9 mm or .45 acp. is better than a 12 ga.OO buck for any self defense situation.

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    Actually no. The point they were making is that there is more of a risk of overpenetration with handgun and rifle ammo than there is with shotguns firing buckshot. If you miss, you have more risk with handgun or rifle bullets penetrating walls in your home than you do with a miss from buckshot. The buckshot will still go through several walls, just fewer than handgun or rifle bullets.

    Unfortunately, anything that will reach the vitals on a BG will also go through several walls if you miss. Until someone invents a phaser ray gun, that's just the way it is.

    And yes, as they say, at close range a shotgun definitely has to be aimed - you can't just point it in the general direction of the bad guy.

    I'm not sure if you can draw conclusions from their test about penetration in flesh. For that, you need ballistics gel, or water bottles - something with a fluid media. I would not use #4 buckshot (.25 cal pellets) - they're a bit too small and light. I like #1 buckshot (.30 cal pellets) for its blend of penetration and number of pellets (12-16 depending on the maker). 00 buck is also good, of course, at a slightly higher risk if you miss. I would not use slugs indoors.
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    I use the same thing for my home defense as I do for geese. Remington Hi Speed Steel, #2 shot. 1550 fps. Thats 50 or so pellets at 13 caliber.
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    I have a lot of Sellier & Bellot 12ga. 00 buck with 12 pellets per round. I've shot these for many years, they're very potent and accuracy is right on. They're a little longer than average and therefor only six rounds can be loaded in the tube instead of seven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    12 Ga. #4 Buck for me......can't beat 42 pellets per round.
    When you can see for yourself that the # 4 buck will penetrate only 7 inches, (gelatin) and the 00 will penetrate 22 inches, why then would you still shoot the #4 for self defense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart View Post
    When you can see for yourself that the # 4 buck will penetrate only 7 inches, (gelatin) and the 00 will penetrate 22 inches, why then would you still shoot the #4 for self defense?
    How thick is the average criminal, I am thinking less than a foot?

    Over penetration isn't good is it?

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    Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the 7" penetration was #4 birdshot, not buckshot. Quite a difference.

    I believe this is the photo for #4 buckshot:


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    Thumbs up #1 Buckshot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    How thick is the average criminal, I am thinking less than a foot?

    Over penetration isn't good is it?
    I'll take over penetration rather than under penetration any day. I doubt very much that over penetration would result in passing through the attacker, but if it did happen then there wouldn't be enough energy for the pellets that did pass through to penetrate any walls. If you miss your target even a 22 cal. may penetrate a wall. IMHO if anyone can miss an attacker within 30 ft. with ANY GUN, let alone a 12 ga., they shouldn't have a gun, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    How thick is the average criminal, I am thinking less than a foot?

    Over penetration isn't good is it?
    There is not a 1:1 correlation between penetration in gelatin and penetration through clothing, skin, muscle and bone.

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    Remington box recommends the following,

    Game =deer use buckshot 000, 00, 0, 1,4
    for black bear use 000, 00, 0

    buckshot size - nom. diam. - number of pellets
    #4--- .24--- 27
    #1--- .30--- 16
    #0--- .32--- 12
    #00--- .33--- 9
    #000--- .36--- 8

    So if the #4 can be used for deer, it should be fine for the closer confines of HD.
    Last edited by gumaro; July 20th, 2009 at 07:16 PM.

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    The link above has me interested in trying out some #1 buckshot.

    This is what I currently have at home. On the left 2 3/4" Federal Tactical 00 Buck with flight control wad and on the right Remmington 3" Maginum #4 buck (41 pellet).


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    I Dutch load 4 rounds of Federal Tactical Low Recoil Flitecontrol 9 pellet OO Buckshot accurate to 25 yards. Followed by hollow point slugs that will create a wound channel the coroner can park his hearse in. Six inch diameter wound cavity one report. A genuinely devastating one shot stop appendage removing round. Capable of creating a literally heartless criminals with a simple push of the boom button. In the side saddle are TruBall rifled slugs accurate to 50 yards out of a smooth bore pump
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