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Is there any reason not to use ammo like Upland Field Range 1-1/8 oz. #4 shot or Heavy Field Load 1-1/8 oz. #6 hard shot for home defense? Within 20-25 ft. wouldn't it be like a solid projectile and very lethal?
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I wouldnt, theres a reason its called birdshot. Its best left for bird sized game.
Heres #4 Shot, about 7in penetration
Heres Federal Classic 00 Buck, about 22in penetration
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#6 may not have the ability to reach vital organs if the BG is wearing heavy clothing,you are still talking about a buncha small bbs,I prefer 00 buck and 4 Buck minimum,with 00 Buck and slugs in the sidesaddle
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Yup - birdshot is (not surprisingly) for birds.
For hardier predators, you need to reliably reach the vital organs, and buckshot is the best bet there.
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Blame it on Sixto - now that is a viable plan.
My 12 ga coach gun is loaded with 00 buck. Will that 00 buck go through a lot of stuff? You betcha'...it will go through the first guy, the second guy and possibly the third...
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Read the following ...
The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - Page 1
Especially the summary at the end about birdshot as a defensive round.
Basically, birdshot is for birds; buckshot is for humans. :)
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein
Use 00 buck, when you really want to send the very best...
I want it to go throught anything and everything coming in through the doors or windows...
"That I cannot do."
"Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks."
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Actually, I think there is merit in #1 buckshot (.30 cal pellets) as being the "best" defensive load. It gives you 12-16 pellets, vs 9 for 00 buckshot (.34 cal pellets). You get essentially the same penetration, with much greater shot density. Harder to find (I ordered mine online) but worth it, IMHO.
I agree that birdshot is for bird-size game. Not defense.
I also do not see the point of slugs at close range. Numerous pellet wounds give greater terminal effects than one slug wound.
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I use a #6 shot small game load for my first 2 rounds, after which I follow up with Federal low recoil 00 buck. In the distances down my hallway, which I have patterned, it stay within a 2-3" group, follow up shots of 00 buck will finish the job.
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I use the #4 buckshot for HD.
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Thanks guys, I'll just use it for practice.
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00 buck here. Mostly Federal LE w/Flight Control.
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At 20' to 30' feet, any size shot could be very lethal. This is ,of course, is like the caliber debates that you see on DC. You know, only a .45 will do the job, only hollow point bullets will work, etc. Long ago,when I was in the auto salvage business,we would often shoot at the older cars when closed on Sundays. I know what ALL size 12 gauge shot did to metal and other odd objects. I would not want to be on the receiving end of ANY of it up close.
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#4 then 00, every other round.
Looks nice on a sheet of dry wall at in house distances.
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12 Ga. #4 Buck for me......can't beat 42 pellets per round.
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