Justified concern or paranoia?
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September 24th, 2009 08:35 PM
When the alarm bell start going off in so many folks head it makes me believe there is something to this. It started for me about 2 years ago and has not stopped. I consider it a warning and have made what preparations possible. A 10/22 with 3by 9 scope well zeroed and good stock of ammo is a fearsome fighter. If you can regularly hit a quarter at 100 yards with this little rifle you can control your block. At 200 yards it drops about 26 inches and will still do more damage than you want to be hit with.
September 24th, 2009 09:20 PM
What if I'm on the next block with a .308 and want your block too?
Originally Posted by searcher 45
September 24th, 2009 09:36 PM
If no peaceful way to work out arrangements just invite you to come over and eat lead with me. If the 308 is not really well zeroed then for all its bark it may not be that big a problem. On a tight budget as this post is talking about I would rather have a good 10/22 with 3by9 scope and plenty of ammo as to have a high dollar 308 and very little expensive ammo. I know the value of 7.62 in M14 carried one a long ways and shot it a lot. Also know the value of well placed long range little .22 caliber lead hail stones.
September 24th, 2009 09:39 PM
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September 24th, 2009 09:47 PM
Searcher, don't get me wrong... If you read the thread from the beginning, I was the first to suggest a 22. IMO, it is the most valuable tool one could have in a SHTF situation. Money wasn't the concern of the OP either.
I see, understand and even agree with your point. However, it does have limitations. It would be easy to out range a marksmen with a 22 given all other things being equal.
September 24th, 2009 09:47 PM
Sounds like what you're describing is the role of the shotgun. A Rem 870 Express pump is fairly inexpensive, and will dish out some serious firepower with #1 buckshot. The shotgun also excels at hitting moving targets - much better than a carbine or a rifle.
Originally Posted by WHEC724
With birdshot, you can hunt with it.
With slugs, you can reach out as far as you can likely see. Even at a distance, a rain of buckshot will likely cause folks to reconsider their intentions.
I have a Mini 14 as well, but my go-to long gun is my Rem 870.
PS - I have dealt with mental illness (mom) all my life. Best to you!
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September 24th, 2009 10:04 PM
I have great respect for any 30 caliber but many folks who have purchased them and 223 in the last months have not shot them to really zero them in. Just hording there ammo as tho 1,000 rounds is going to save them. Trying to Zero a rifle in a firefight just will not work. For the novice shooter a 10/22 with next to no kick and bang yet with very good accuracy is ideal. If you can not shoot the 22 accurately what makes folks think they can by shoot a larger rifle.
September 24th, 2009 10:16 PM
A 22lr rifle or pistol is a great game getter, and great training aid. Heck I like mine enough to have filled the stock will all sorts of survival gear.
It should in no way be considered a viable defensive weapon. CAN it kill? Sure, but can it do that reliably and consistantly? More importantly, can it work fast enough to stop the threat that is at hand before the threat stops you?
The point about practice is indeed a good one, which is why they make excellent training aids.
Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.
September 24th, 2009 10:22 PM
For some reason a scene from the movie "Tremors" just popped into my head...
Originally Posted by Ram Rod
September 24th, 2009 11:51 PM
No doubt huh?
Originally Posted by Hiker
I have a .30.30 as well as an .06 and 35 whelen. Shotty too. I have hit elk at 420 yards with the .06 and it dropped where it wss standing. I have hit clay pigeons at 200 yards and I have hit black at 100 yards with my Mossberg 500 with slugs as well as with my .30.30 iron sights.
I think you are good with what you have. The gun is a tool, the art comes from the tool's owner. Become proficient with what you have, that is how you will be effective. Allow it to become an extension of you and practice when you are winded, shaky and cold, if it gets cold where you are.
Try running in place until you are out of breath, do push up etc until your arms are fatigued, to get an idea of what it is like to shoot while stressed. This will prepare you for if the SHTF. I practice this way with all of my arms as I never know what condition I'll be in when a deer or whatnot presents itself. Chance favors the prepared.
I too have thought of what if... I guess it comes from my friend/ martial arts instructor. It has enabled me to become more aware of my surroundings and if nothing else, that is one thing in which I am very grateful.
The remarks I have made about myself above are not meant to be boasting nor bragging, but are stated merely to give you confidence in what you have and to encourage you to practice as much as your situation allows. Take some classes to learn the basics as they are the foundation in which everything else is built upon.
As is said at Front Sight, any gun will do, if you will do.
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Originally Posted by UnklFungus
September 25th, 2009 12:24 AM
As usual, I have to disagree with parts of your comments. While I totally agree with the shotgun recommendation, I think a .22 is considered a "this is all I have firearm", don't get me wrong a .22 is a cheap versatile weapon. In a SHTF scenario an AR, 30 30, or mini 14 is a better choice in my opinion. I was not taught to prepare for the worst with bare minimums.
Originally Posted by SIXTO
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September 25th, 2009 10:44 AM
No need to disagree, because you are mirroring what I have said. I didnt mention a 30/30 or anything else in my post, because he already has that. If you look at all my posts in this flowing conversation, I think you will find that we are in agreement.
Originally Posted by C hawk Glock
My point is, that I feel like a .22 and a shotgun would be the bare minimum for a SHTF. Its a good base to start with. It covers any N. American game, and will do a fine job protecting the home stead. A high powered rifle, be it an assualt style or even a deer rifle would be the next step. Since the OP already has the 30/30, I'm suggesting he concentrate on base items before adding extra firearms.
September 25th, 2009 12:47 PM
Get an AK under-folder. Folded, it is small enough to keep it in stealth mode until needed.
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