Pistol Guy needs long gun advice!
This is a discussion on Pistol Guy needs long gun advice! within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Ram Rod
Your sig line suggests that three out of five of your pistols are Glocks. You also have an SKS. I'm ...
January 11th, 2010 09:29 PM
You are right on the Money Ram Rod. I couldn't have said it any better.
Originally Posted by Ram Rod
I have the top of the Line AR, But the carbine I would trust my life with and the one that I will grab when TSHTF is my crappy cheap AK. I have been through several Tactical rifle classes with it and it has never failed me, wile the AR where having multitude of problems.
also they are cheaper to shoot 762x39 is down to $200.00 a case now. And since the OP already has an SKS (also a very reliable and outstanding rifle) It just makes that much more sense.
OK let the punches fly
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January 11th, 2010 09:39 PM
[QUOTE=jwhite75;1446538]Ok...in 223....that Sig 556 is the stuff. Very nice. I agree with Angry Bill...308 is really a great round. Go for a Springfield M1A...like these.
Originally Posted by Angry Bill
I am definitely in this camp. Especially if you deer hunt, the .308 is in a class by itself, when trying to compare it to the other rifle calibers you metioned.
There is a reason the government kept it around soooo long after the introduction of the "Black Rifle", IT(the .308) put the enemy DOWN for the count for good.
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January 11th, 2010 09:49 PM
I agree with Ram Rod's: "no caliber debate, no effective range debate..."
For general purposes and intermediate ranges I like the 7.62X39 much better than I do the .223/5.56 NATO, a middling varmint cartridge. I'm also not all that keen on the AR 15 which is monumentally overrated. It functions reasonably well but isn't the do all and end all of the semi-auto world. I too think it's a bit fragile and personally am not a big fan of its ergonomics.
I like these two best of all. The big .30s are always appropriate.
January 12th, 2010 12:58 AM
I like my ARs, but I lust for an M1A.
Originally Posted by bmcgilvray
Nothing else really says "get off my lawn" like a Garand...
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January 12th, 2010 01:13 AM
oooh yeah...me tooooo!!!
Originally Posted by gasmitty
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January 12th, 2010 01:33 AM
If you want an AR, get one. If you want one you can neglect as much as an AK, get one with a piston upper (almost everyone makes one now). If you want one with more punch, get an AR in 6.5 or 6.8 caliber. If you want even more punch, buy an AR-10 in 308.
If you want to keep to the same caliber as your SKS, get an AK. They aren't as accurate, though.
January 12th, 2010 03:33 AM
First off you need the CLEO in your area to be willing to sign off on fully automatic weapons........................................... ...............
Originally Posted by kylebce
Oh wait, you don't want a fully automatic weapon? Sorry, I can't help you, as anything less than a weapons system that fires less than or equal to one round for each pull of the trigger is not an "assault weapon".
January 12th, 2010 03:59 AM
Nothing wrong with an SIG 556. About 8 variations in stock.
Originally Posted by kylebce
You might look at some others. Mostly Polish and Romaian made but far less expensive.
I have an AK74, 5.45x39 (not AK-47)
C93 Sem-Auto 5.56x45mm (.223) 40 rd. 16.5" bbl. (nice)
If you want something larger, A GP Wasp-10 Hi-Cap w/ collapsible stock might be for you. 7.62X39mm.
Several others at very reasonable prices.
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January 13th, 2010 01:51 PM
There's one in every crowd.
Originally Posted by BikerRN
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January 13th, 2010 02:41 PM
I started wanting an EBR too. For me I stuck with the .223 for cost and availability of ammo and because I had another rifle already chambered in .223 for varmits. I didn't want to add another caliber to my line up. I've decided on my calibers and plan on sticking with my core group of calibers.
I'm retired military so I have some time behind an AR styled weapon and they have become so popular I expect parts to be readily available although I don't expect to need any.
I ended up buying a Stag Arms Model 2 and really like it. I put an Eotech on top, mounted a surefire light and vertical forearm grip and it's good.
I think AK's are great but didn't want to learn another platform, so for me it was a number of practical considerations.
Truthfully, I just wanted one. I don't think I'll live to see the proverbial SHTF scenario we hear about constantly and if we did I think the Marlin lever action .357 rifle would be more than adequate along with my pistols.
The only other reason I had for buying my AR is that I believe with all my heart that before I die it'll be illegal to buy one. You mention assault weapon but I consider those to be fully auto. Unfortuanately the liberals and the media call any semi that looks militaryish to be an assualt weapon and I expect them to be banned soon.
I think everyone should own at least one. I just hope my kids can keep mine legally after I'm gone!!
January 14th, 2010 08:24 PM
I wrestled with this a lot, eventually went AK (Romanian WASR-10). Why? Half the cost of an AR. I can get some of the best ammo for in that caliber that it will shoot reliably for cheap (Yugo M67 and Wolf HP Mil Classic at .30 round or less). So for less than others spend on just a rifle I have a rifle and 1500 rounds of effective two-legged critter ammunition. The only purpose of this gun is to sit around and wait for the end of the world, which I reckon at less than 5% chance to happen in the next 10 years.
Gotchas: M67 is semi-corrosive so you have to clean after each range trip. Whats the point in an AK you have clean :) ?
All the russian ammo is banned at most indoor ranges because of steel in the jacket; and even the only public outdoor range in spitting distance bans it.
Other people made great points about .30-.30. Ammo selection and availability is great there and it is a very effective round and the lever carbines are light and versatile. Only downsides is of course capacity and you can't really keep the sights on the target while working a lever action with most that I have seen (or most people that I have known who shoot them, I do not).
I consider other things like Ruger Mini-14, Saiga .223 etc and I won't go into all the detailed thought I put into it, if you really want to know feel free to PM me.
January 14th, 2010 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by Angry Bill
My Armalite AR10T does not have forward assist, and has not needed it...
January 14th, 2010 09:12 PM
I doubt anyone will need a forward assist if they only shoot at the range and clean their weapon on a regular basis. The liabilities and mitigations of the direct gas impingement system are well documented on the internets in many threads and articles. I wouldn't let it decide which rifle I buy. I also wouldn't leave it out of the decision making process.
January 14th, 2010 11:13 PM
My AR 15 is a Colt SP-1 and has no forward assist. I haven't missed anything without forward assist.
January 16th, 2010 12:35 AM
well put... AARP posters with Clint Eastwood and the Garand.. the bottom says Armed And Really Pi$$ed
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