Need help in my AR decsion.
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A: CMMG bargain bin AR15, 1:9 barrel, WASP coating, made ...
January 26th, 2010 09:57 AM
Need help in my AR decsion.
I have narrowed down my choices for my use and budget. They are:
A: CMMG bargain bin AR15, 1:9 barrel, WASP coating, made from traded in parts. $650 out the door take it off the wall and go home.
B: Built my own using a Double Star complete upper "kit" (everything minus stripped lower), and a Sharps lower. 1:9 barrel, chrome lined, "F" marked front sight . $625-650 total with shipping and ffl.
Is the DS upper gonna be better than the CMMG just because of the CHROME lineing? If there is any extra "value" in building it, is it worth the time to put together and wait on parts?
Discuss please. Trying to figure out wich is the best route to take of the two listed options.
Yes, I do know that both will need mags (already ordered) and a rear sight or optic.
January 26th, 2010 10:21 AM
Chrome lining reduces barrel wear and carbon buildup, but can have the effect of slightly reduced accuracy. An F marked front sight base is a little bit taller and designed to be used with a flat top (railed) upper. Note that with a 1:9 twist you will probably be best off sticking with 55gr ammo.
What is your purpose for this gun - is it a range plinker, a toy, or are you planning on taking carbine courses, using it as an LEO, or any other serious social purposes? If the latter, I would suggest saving up another $300 or so and buying what is referred to as "top tier" components to build your rifle. Parts from companies such as Colt, BCM (Bravo Company Manufacturing), LMT (Lewis Machine & Tool), Daniel Defense, Larue Tactical, and Fail Zero are a little bit more expensive than the bargain bin parts but are worth every penny when reliability is more important to you than a lower entry cost. It's not necessarily a matter of being leaps and bounds ahead, but it's attention to detail and the little things, like using the proper buffer, extractor spring, magnetic particle (MP) testing and shot peening, a properly reamed chamber, etc... all things that could be done as upgrades to a cheap gun to improve it but are already incorporated into the top tier guns. Over on M4Carbine.net, a similar question was recently answered, and here is how he broke it down:
Originally Posted by USMC03 on M4Carbine
January 26th, 2010 10:31 AM
fun gun mainly.
I am not a cop or military and dont plan dress like it or act like it. Nor do I plan to try to snipe stuff 800yds away.
January 26th, 2010 12:27 PM
For a fun gun it don't much matter. For more serious usage you might want to read this:
So you want to buy an AR-15, huh? - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com
In your case I'd select the one I liked more and move onward. With that said, quality and mil-spec never go out of style IMO.
January 26th, 2010 01:55 PM
I tend to think at first blush I would go with the DS.
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January 28th, 2010 08:05 PM
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January 29th, 2010 02:56 AM
I've built a few guns with DS lowers and delton kits,I have never had any issues with mine and I've put several thousand rounds thru them
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January 29th, 2010 03:14 AM
Thanks. I've been looking at a differant kit than the DS I was planning to get. The new one is a del ton but its 1:7 and chrome lined for the same $$ as the DS 1:9 moly. My lower should be here today. If not I'm gonna be p**sed as none of my$150 that I ordered early last week has shown up yet.
January 29th, 2010 09:09 AM
Building from parts helps one to learn much about the AR rifle. I would say it is worth it just for the experience.
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January 29th, 2010 09:51 AM
Do the bargain-bin CMMGs come with their normal lifetime warranty? I would check on that for sure. They may offer the warranty on the upper but the lowers are often from other companies (DPMS, etc).
I bought the same upper as the CMMG you are looking at, although with a gas-piston, and have been very pleased with it (in case you are looking for anecdotal evidence). My gun had a sheared hammer pin which occassionally caused the gun to fire off a 3-4 round burst. I contacted CMMG, sent them pics and they immediately shipped me two replacement pins. I wasn't thrilled about the broken pin but their customer service was quite good.
You may also want to check CDNN Sports, Inc. as they were offerering CMMG products at prices lower than CMMG was selling them for on their own website. Once you get to their page there is a link to "download catalog." This may take some time as the file is fairly large but you may find a new CMMG in the ad for not much more than the used guns in the bargain bin (I believe the uppers are new but the lowers are used).
EDIT: I just downloaded the catalog. Looks like the best price on a new WASP coated AR from CMMG is $750.
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