This is a discussion on Levergun question: I searched within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by razor02097 where do you get ballistic charting programs? What I prepared in the post above was done with RCBS DOT Load . ...
Source - Gobango - Handgun Kabooms
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Source - http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ld-xdm-kaboom/
Source - http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-ar-15-kaboom/
Two and a half interesting reads on the subject of tubular magazine kabooms can be found here:
* how flat is flat-nose for tube mag? - Cast Boolits
* http://www.levergunscommunity.com/vi...hp?f=1&t=24738 [Half]
So, are you guys saying that the LEVERevolution ammunition is potentially unsafe? (per the OP's original question)
Nope, the total opposite is what's been said Surveyor.
BTW Hornady sells the XTP projectile (in some cases the exact same projectile) which all come with a BC increasing polymer tip as among their revolver cartridges and in their .50 cal muzzleloader SST and XTP (sabot) projectiles too.
Source - http://blackpowderbullets.com/hornad...llets%202.html
Again the polymer tip toward tube magazine safety is a secondary benefit well played per their marketing dept and ad copy people.
Primary benefit is in reduced aerodynamic drag.
It's even been applied to their box magazine pistol projectiles no sold under their 'Critical Defense' line.
Marketing. It's what you think.
This is starting to sound like something Mythbusters should test
On a serious note... since I have bought myself a new marlin lever gun would it be ok to shoot out 44 mag hollowpoints or not?
There is something about firing 4,200 thirty millimeter rounds/min that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
I posted two examples showing box magazine fed guns in specific where they most definitely did not blow out through the bottom being harmless to the handler.
There are many more of same very easy to locate in basically no time at all.
Not so much though for magazine tube instances of same.
Agreed regarding alignment of the rounds...But my point was and is that as related to ammunition failures and potential injury abounds with handling guns. Even breech loaded break action guns.
People run reloaded ammo and commercially reloaded ammo daily, and weekly there is some one somewhere that suffers a kaboom. Same for commercial ammo too due to overpressures and underpressures resulting in squib loads. Monthly if not weekly.
Meanwhile with tube magazine fed arms in specific it's like finding a needle in a haystack hard to locate more than one incident never mind three, ten or twenty as relative to all other type of firearms.
The concern for risk is exceedingly low, IF the handler has a properly functioning and maintained firearm and the ammo is properly loaded within the tubular magazine (see the first link I'd provided).
Shotgun blown up
YouTube - shotgun blown up
Don't get me wrong as I'm not saying do not use Lever Revolution ammo or that the polymer tip is bogus toward that specific view of use/application.
I am though saying that as against the balance of shooters and instances of tube magazine guns shot using conventional projectiles that have not gone kaboom as against the very small number that have as just within the time that the LeverRevolution commercial round (and XTP projectile for reloaders) has been available...It's not logical to say that there is enough risk that is greater to such a degree to be remarkable.
I'd feel different if the real world result had been akin to that of say the number of Glocks or [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh1lyMyejpIARs that have gone kaboom[/url] even as the mechanical reason for those incident are of course completely different.
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1. Never said it doesn't happen. Only that in the 4 I've personally inspected the magazine was ejected in ALL cases with no damage to the rounds in the magazine. In any case, I don't think that any of the items you've linked to indicate that the explosion originated with a round in the magazine exploding. If rounds in the magazine did explode, it was only as a consequence of the explosion of a chambered round.
2. If you're saying that it's difficult to find an example of the tip of one round in a magazine setting off the primer of the round in front of it, I agree. But it's apples and oranges. Again, all of your links concern some type of explosion resulting from an over charge, plugged barrel, faulty cartridge, faulty weapon, etc. Perhaps it's difficult to find any documentation of tubular magazine detonations because we've been told not to do it for over a 100 years. While it's entirely possible to load this bullet into a 30-30, I'm not crazy enough to try it. Or at least, I value my fingers too much to try it. If I want that type of bullet performance, I'll buy a different rifle.
3. Again, mainly because no one, or at least no one I've ever known, met or heard of, loads pointed, metal tipped bullets to be used in a tubular magazine. There's nothing wrong with the Leverevolution type bullets. It's what they were designed to be used for.