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    New FFL Forum

    The good folks at DC have added this forum so FFL Dealers, Pawns, Gun manufacturers and Ammunition makers have a place to discuss FFL issues. This is the place for members to ask about how to become and FFL. It is also a good place to discuss ATF regulations, State laws, straw purchases, etc. C&R discussion is also welcome here.

    Hotguns is the moderator of this new forum. He is an excellent choice since he is an 07 FFL firearms manufacturer.
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    Actually, I think its a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDlewis View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Are you sure?




    Actually, I think its a great idea.

    Yes,
    You are the perfect choice to moderate this forum. I'm looking forward to seeing more pictures of any of your recent builds too.
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    Nice! I've been an 07 FFL Class 2 SOT since 2006.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubby45 View Post
    Nice! I've been an 07 FFL Class 2 SOT since 2006.
    Hi Tubby45,

    Glad to see you here. I have missed some of the spirited discussions of the past.

    I'll go for the first question here. You have an 07. Your license allows you to manufacture firearms, ammo and also deal in either.

    why do you suppose anyone would want an 06. It would seem like you would need an 07 just to test ammo. Also, an 06 is not classified as a dealer. How can they sell ammo?
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    The 06 can deal and reload ammo and sell it. The 06 is specifially for ammunition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGP250 View Post
    Hi Tubby45,

    Glad to see you here. I have missed some of the spirited discussions of the past.

    I'll go for the first question here. You have an 07. Your license allows you to manufacture firearms, ammo and also deal in either.

    why do you suppose anyone would want an 06. It would seem like you would need an 07 just to test ammo. Also, an 06 is not classified as a dealer. How can they sell ammo?
    Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I've been away from the forum for a while.

    The 06 is a license to manufacture ammunition for sale to others. If you can only make it, but not sell it, what's the point? You don't need an 06 to deal in ammunition, you need an 06 FFL to deal in ammunition that you manufacture. That's the difference. The 06 covers the manufacturing of ammunition components, reloaded ammunition, new ammunition. With the 07, I can do everything the 01 dealer does (sales, transfers, gunsmithing) plus manufacture firearms, plus do everything an 06 manufacturer can do.

    With the 07 FFL and Class 2 SOT, I can make and deal with anything except destructive devices or do importing (as a regular course of business). 07/02s are allowed on a case by case basis to import machine guns for R&D purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubby45 View Post
    Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I've been away from the forum for a while.

    The 06 is a license to manufacture ammunition for sale to others. If you can only make it, but not sell it, what's the point? You don't need an 06 to deal in ammunition, you need an 06 FFL to deal in ammunition that you manufacture. That's the difference. The 06 covers the manufacturing of ammunition components, reloaded ammunition, new ammunition. With the 07, I can do everything the 01 dealer does (sales, transfers, gunsmithing) plus manufacture firearms, plus do everything an 06 manufacturer can do.

    With the 07 FFL and Class 2 SOT, I can make and deal with anything except destructive devices or do importing (as a regular course of business). 07/02s are allowed on a case by case basis to import machine guns for R&D purposes.
    So tubby45 are you saying an 07/02 is hard to get because thats the one I was wanting to get so I'm pretty much covered on all base's ...and what would be the difference between an 07/02 and an 07/03? If there Is an 07/03,, Please correct me If I'm wrong TIA

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    Let me Clarify myself lol, I guess what i'm trying to say is I want to get (for lack of better terms)---> The biggest FFL I can get right off the bat! even though I will not be mfg. right at first but I do have machinist friends that I have been working with! I want all my bases covered up front because I have heard If you ever want to change anything on a FFL you have to go through it all over again...Is this true? which leads right Into 2nd part of the question, Say where I first open my store business sucks and i want to move to a new town (more population) How hard is it to amend a FFL? I hope not too confusing because my questions are In 2 different threads sorry
    and one more thing: I am a Corporation If that helps or makes any difference? I saw earlier where some said If you were a Corporation...Thanks

    Just want to add a bit: If Tubby45 or Hotguns would be willing to chat with me on the phone I would call you! That way It's on my Dime, Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4tysmith View Post
    Let me Clarify myself lol, I guess what i'm trying to say is I want to get (for lack of better terms)---> The biggest FFL I can get right off the bat! even though I will not be mfg. right at first but I do have machinist friends that I have been working with! I want all my bases covered up front because I have heard If you ever want to change anything on a FFL you have to go through it all over again...Is this true? which leads right Into 2nd part of the question, Say where I first open my store business sucks and i want to move to a new town (more population) How hard is it to amend a FFL? I hope not too confusing because my questions are In 2 different threads sorry
    and one more thing: I am a Corporation If that helps or makes any difference? I saw earlier where some said If you were a Corporation...Thanks

    Just want to add a bit: If Tubby45 or Hotguns would be willing to chat with me on the phone I would call you! That way It's on my Dime, Thanks

    4tysmith: If you think that you will want to assemble/mfgr weapons, and have the ability to do so with NFA items, type07/Class2 is the way to go. If you go type 01/class3 then decide to build, it's a "do-over".

    There is just more paperwork with type 07 -- Annual Mfg reports [ATF 5300.11] on April 1st [even if zero are built], etc. But the initial cost is $150 v. $200 for type01, and the renewal is marginally more $150/3yrs v. $90/3 years., But it is much more flexible. NOTE: Mfgrs fall under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations. It essentially says that you have a $2250/yr fee to the State Dept. They did it to help keep military secrets from being exported and such. Haven't known of anyone getting hit with it, but it is a possibility in the future.

    As to change of address-- look at 478.52 in the Federal Forearms Regulation Reference Guide -- All that you have to do is complete a form 5300.38 at least 30 days before the move....the current license duration will still stand...ie: if you have 6 mo. left on your current license, you still renew in 6 mos...it doesn't start your currency of license over for 3 years.

    Hope this helps....

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    Ok Thanks Tod, And In being labeled a Mfg. I can still Operate as a fully functional gun store and sell anything I want/and build my own/ everything that goes with Type 01?
    And On to 07/03 that would mean could also do DD? I getting it slowly lol..I just want to make sure all bases are covered the 1st time because the less i can deal with the Fed/Gov the better don't want to have to go back and keep amending! Any Other knowledge Is welcome also even If you think I may not need to know it! I would like to know FFL Inside and Out before I apply..Right Now I am leaning towards 07/02 or Possibly 07/03 Thanks again Tod,

    Just wanted to add That I am reading the ATF site also but some stuff In there lingo I need to question!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4tysmith View Post
    So tubby45 are you saying an 07/02 is hard to get because thats the one I was wanting to get so I'm pretty much covered on all base's ...and what would be the difference between an 07/02 and an 07/03? If there Is an 07/03,, Please correct me If I'm wrong TIA
    An FFL is not hard to get provided you meet the requirements. What is more difficult to meet is the zoning requirements because being a manufacturer means your proposed business premises must be zoned as light industrial. Some locations you can get this waived if you also sell retail on premises. Let's say you rent a storefront in a strip mall that's zoned for retail. If you manufacture something and sell it "up front" retail in your store, the municipality will waive the zoning.

    There is no such thing as an 07/03. 03 SOT is the dealer SOT and you must be a dealer, 01 or 02 FFL, to be an 03 SOT. If you're an 07 FFL and want to be an SOT, you can only get the 02 SOT, manufacturer, which also allows you to deal. 01 SOT is importer, 02 is manufacturer, and 03 is dealer. The SOT class matches with your FFL type. Importer with importer, manufacturer with manufacturer, and dealer with dealer.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4tysmith View Post
    Let me Clarify myself lol, I guess what i'm trying to say is I want to get (for lack of better terms)---> The biggest FFL I can get right off the bat! even though I will not be mfg. right at first but I do have machinist friends that I have been working with! I want all my bases covered up front because I have heard If you ever want to change anything on a FFL you have to go through it all over again...Is this true?
    Yes, you'll have to go through the FFL application process again for the new FFL type. There is no "upgrade", etc. This is generally streamlined though. Just contact your local ATF and give them a heads up on what you want to do. I started out as an 06 FFL, then got an 07 FFL and dropped the 06 (because I can do everything an 06 can with the 07). I didn't need prints or mugs, just sent a letter stating my current 06 FFL information, what I was doing with regard to obtain an 07 FFL and I got the 07 FFL in my mailbox in less than 4 weeks.

    which leads right Into 2nd part of the question, Say where I first open my store business sucks and i want to move to a new town (more population) How hard is it to amend a FFL? I hope not too confusing because my questions are In 2 different threads sorry
    Change of address is easy. It's an Amendment form and is to be submitted at least 30 days prior to the change, so the ATF can issue a new license with the updated address on it. Then you surrender your old FFL with the old address. You'll have the same exact FFL number, just the different address.

    and one more thing: I am a Corporation If that helps or makes any difference? I saw earlier where some said If you were a Corporation...Thanks
    I'm an LLC, basically a hybrid corporation. Doesn't make much difference as the corporation will be the FFL and you, personally, will not be. All this really means is if you want to buy a personal gun, you'll have to run a 4473 on yourself just like any customer because you don't have the FFL, the corporation does.

    Just want to add a bit: If Tubby45 or Hotguns would be willing to chat with me on the phone I would call you! That way It's on my Dime, Thanks
    Later this week I'll be available to chat if it's easier talking than typing.
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    You bring up one of the strangest things in regard to this whole process! :)

    If you are a type01 and want to get your SOT, it's known as a class 3
    If you are a type07 and want to get your SOT, it's known as a class 2

    Both "classes" are the same thing...NFA items...but it a class 3 with type01, and known as class 2 with a type 07.

    Welcome to the world of dealing with the feds!

    I am by no means an expert, but have learned a lot in the process and am willing to share any knowledge that still resides in my limited mental capacity!
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