FFL Law Question about Storing Firearm to go into Canada

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    The Fish, Not sure what you are asking. If I go into Canada I am going to cross the boarder in Maine. I want to carry it until I get to the boarder. From what they say I can go into any gun shop and leave it for cleaning and then pick it up. It doesn't have to be that boarder state. Thinking about it if I was traveling and the firearm had a problem I could go into any gun shop to see about getting it repaired. Just like a car If it would have a problem. They are not selling me the firearm they are repairing/cleaning it for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slider View Post
    The Fish, Not sure what you are asking. If I go into Canada I am going to cross the boarder in Maine. I want to carry it until I get to the boarder. From what they say I can go into any gun shop and leave it for cleaning and then pick it up. It doesn't have to be that boarder state. Thinking about it if I was traveling and the firearm had a problem I could go into any gun shop to see about getting it repaired. Just like a car If it would have a problem. They are not selling me the firearm they are repairing/cleaning it for me.
    Gary;
    Please note this sentence from post #13;

    If you leave a gun with a Licensed FFL or pawn Broker, you must be a resident of the FFL's state or it is an illegal activity for you and the FFL.

    This is what I am questioning.
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    That was my question to begin with. But they stated it would be legal. I missed #13 post. Don't know how I did but I didn't see it. Must have been reading when it was posted.
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    SIGP250,

    I missed your post. Not sure how I did but I didn't see it. What you stated is how I thought it was with Handguns but not long guns. You can buy long guns across state lines. Thank you. Now I have to look for someone to hold it. I would bet one of those gun shops might know people who do this. But then you are giving a firearm to someone you don't know. Maybe the Safety Deposit Box would be best or if nothing else have to leave it at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slider View Post
    SIGP250,

    I missed your post. Not sure how I did but I didn't see it. What you stated is how I thought it was with Handguns but not long guns. You can buy long guns across state lines. Thank you. Now I have to look for someone to hold it. I would bet one of those gun shops might know people who do this. But then you are giving a firearm to someone you don't know. Maybe the Safety Deposit Box would be best or if nothing else have to leave it at home.
    Gary, a handful of states have revised their firearms statutes to allow purchasing a long gun from a contiguous state, ie, any state touching that states boarder. Gun laws can be confusing. Current Federal firearms laws are largely based on the CGA of 1968. The Gun control Act is broad scope law in may respects. It allows states to only adhere to provisions of Federal law but also recognizes states rights append more stringent restrictions than that of minimum Federal regulations. The Federal laws will often contain a clause to the effect of ... and in accordance with any state or local law.

    Some states may write very explicit legislation to further refine broad scope Federal regulations while others states defer all or most of their state statues entirely to Federal Gun laws and nothing more.

    So we first need to be aware of Federal gun regulations and then add state law. Federal law may allow safe passage while traveling from one state to another but each state has the right to enforce "how" one may travel through their state with a firearm.
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    Firearm Users Visiting Canada

    Non-residents have two options for meeting the Canadian licensing and registration requirements:

    Option 1

    Declare firearms in writing, in triplicate, using the Non-Resident Firearm Declaration (form CAFC 909).

    If there are more than three firearms, a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration Continuation Sheet (form CAFC 910) should be added.

    Once the declaration has been confirmed by the CBSA customs officer, it acts as a licence for the owner and as a temporary registration certificate for the firearms brought to Canada; and it is valid for 60 days. The declaration can be renewed for free, providing it is renewed before it expires, by contacting the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) (call 1-800-731-4000) of the relevant province or territory.

    A confirmed declaration costs a flat fee of $25, regardless of the number of firearms listed on it. It is valid only for the person who signs it and only for those firearms listed on the declaration.

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    From the previous link:

    Classes of Firearms and Devices

    There are three classes of firearms in Canada:

    Non-restricted (most common rifles and shotguns): These may generally be imported for purposes such as hunting, protection from wild animals in remote wilderness areas where firearms are allowed, or target-shooting. They may also be taken in transit through Canada by a reasonably direct route.
    Restricted: (longer-barreled handguns, some types of long guns) These are allowed for certain purposes, such as target shooting at an approved club or range, but they are not allowed for hunting or self protection.
    Prohibited: (shorter-barreled handguns, automatic weapons) These cannot be brought into Canada.
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    Not constructive....Many advantages to canada...just not the gun laws
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
    This may help you
    Firearm Users Visiting Canada

    Non-residents have two options for meeting the Canadian licensing and registration requirements:

    Option 1

    Declare firearms in writing, in triplicate, using the Non-Resident Firearm Declaration (form CAFC 909).

    If there are more than three firearms, a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration Continuation Sheet (form CAFC 910) should be added.

    Once the declaration has been confirmed by the CBSA customs officer, it acts as a licence for the owner and as a temporary registration certificate for the firearms brought to Canada; and it is valid for 60 days. The declaration can be renewed for free, providing it is renewed before it expires, by contacting the Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) (call 1-800-731-4000) of the relevant province or territory.

    A confirmed declaration costs a flat fee of $25, regardless of the number of firearms listed on it. It is valid only for the person who signs it and only for those firearms listed on the declaration.
    Colin;
    The problem is...you fly in and they won't give you this declaration..what do you do?
    Also you then need a permission to transport to actually go any where with the gun...what if you can't get that.
    I visit Edmonton often and I have looked into all this. If there is something I don't know PLEASE let me know.
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    I think you'll find that the substantive portion of my post is, indeed, constructive. Gary is asking about travelling with his handgun. While Canada does have a method for bringing some firearms into the country, you will see by the information that I quoted that handguns - especially one likely to be used for concealed carry purposes are likely to be completely prohibited.

    Prohibited: (shorter-barreled handguns, automatic weapons) These cannot be brought into Canada.
    As I doubt that Gary's EDC is an 8" TC Contender in .22WMR, I'd say that's entirely relevant and constructive to the topic at hand.

    As to the opinion portion of my post, you'll note that I prefaced it with the word "Personally", clearly indicating that the following content was purely subjective opinion and not presented as fact in anyway; whether an assessment of the political climate, lifestyle quality or even the culinary aspects of the country in question. I like Cochinita Pibil and Tamales, you may like chicken feet and Poutine. To each their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raytracer View Post
    I think you'll find that the substantive portion of my post is, indeed, constructive. Gary is asking about travelling with his handgun. While Canada does have a method for bringing some firearms into the country, you will see by the information that I quoted that handguns - especially one likely to be used for concealed carry purposes are likely to be completely prohibited.



    As I doubt that Gary's EDC is an 8" TC Contender in .22WMR, I'd say that's entirely relevant and constructive to the topic at hand.

    As to the opinion portion of my post, you'll note that I prefaced it with the word "Personally", clearly indicating that the following content was purely subjective opinion and not presented as fact in anyway; whether an assessment of the political climate, lifestyle quality or even the culinary aspects of the country in question. I like Cochinita Pibil and Tamales, you may like chicken feet and Poutine. To each their own.

    Joe
    Ray;
    The kind of handgun prohibited would be a M&P compact,the full size would be OK.I believe the barrel length cut off is 4".
    Also I LOVE tamales and Poutine makes me puke!!!
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