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    Ffl123?

    These people say they can guarantee a Home FFL.

    Has anyone tried them?
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    See this thread and listen to what he says. Gun Guy Radio Interviews Brandon Maddox of FFL123.

    He clearly states, and it is true, the most frequent reason to be denied an FFL license (besides perhaps a non FFL, non Dealer C&R 03) is because of local planning and zoning regulations.

    If you live in a city or county that has an ordnance that prohibits certain home based business such as gun shops, your FFL will not be approved. Period.

    You also have to get a sign off from a CLEO (chief law enforcement officer). That could be your city police chief, a county sheriff, or whoever has authority to sign off for you. If they won't sign, you are again SOL.

    In short, FFL123 is not being honest if they are telling anyone they can guarantee anyone an FFL.

    We have said many times here that you don't need a third party to obtain an FFL. It's a waste of money.

    Do your own research! If you can't do that you won't be able to handle being an FFL.

    Here is where you get started: Home | ATF

    Go to the publications section and you will find all the information you will need.
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    Thanks for the response.
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    Think long and hard about getting a home FFL, the ATF will have the right to enter your home at any time they want unannounced day or night.

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    You also have to get a sign off from a CLEO (chief law enforcement officer).
    I didn't. I just went by and "informed" the Sheriff what I was in the process to get one. The Sheriff didn't have a "sign off". Part of the process was that I had to let him know that I had applied for one.


    Think long and hard about getting a home FFL, the ATF will have the right to enter your home at any time they want unannounced day or night.
    Wrong. Not unless they have a warrant, and if they do, you have other things to worry about.


    SIGP250 is right for the most part. I just did some searching around on the net to find out how and what I needed.



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    I recommend checking the facts on the CLEO sign off statement, this is not an accurate statement. Buying a silencer requires CLEO sign off, but not applying for an FFL license. As an active sponsor of this forum, my goal is to avoid conflict and bring value.... although I do struggle with watching misinformation being dispersed and having the service we offer denigrated. I will copy the information we were asked to post about our company when we became a sponsor...

    Some valuable tools we bring to the process.
    • Local issues can be a large obstacle, we have clear processes to overcome local issues, including letter templates for most areas with obstacles.
    • We have entire chapters for states that have state requirements on top of the federal requirements.
    • Most applicants are worried about the ATF meeting. We have an 88 page prep guide from their leader’s manual to ensure you are stress free and ready. Yes, there are a lot of pictures… not all needs to be read.
    • Most applicants like to apply in their own name, which now can make setting up wholesale accounts difficult, we provide some insights on other ways.
    • Wholesalers are “picky” on who they do business with because inventories are low. We have a list of over 30,000 contacts and even insiders to help with the process.
    • ATF allows digital record keeping, we provide a free software tool to manage your records.
    • Brandon has been through the ATF process 8 times and current has an FFL and Class 3 (SOT) in four states. He is available for questions anytime and responds quickly. We have personally done FFL's from homes, warehouses, storage units, machine shops, virtual offices, etc.
    • We have ATF approved variances and know the FFL day to day activities inside out and can provide guidance in these areas as well.

    Thanks again for allowing us this opportunity to contribute positively to your community!

    Brandon L. Maddox, Owner of FFL123.com

    Quote Originally Posted by SIGP250 View Post
    See this thread and listen to what he says. Gun Guy Radio Interviews Brandon Maddox of FFL123.

    He clearly states, and it is true, the most frequent reason to be denied an FFL license (besides perhaps a non FFL, non Dealer C&R 03) is because of local planning and zoning regulations.

    If you live in a city or county that has an ordnance that prohibits certain home based business such as gun shops, your FFL will not be approved. Period.

    You also have to get a sign off from a CLEO (chief law enforcement officer). That could be your city police chief, a county sheriff, or whoever has authority to sign off for you. If they won't sign, you are again SOL.

    In short, FFL123 is not being honest if they are telling anyone they can guarantee anyone an FFL.

    We have said many times here that you don't need a third party to obtain an FFL. It's a waste of money.

    Do your own research! If you can't do that you won't be able to handle being an FFL.

    Here is where you get started: Home | ATF

    Go to the publications section and you will find all the information you will need.

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    I used them to get my Home FFL in Ohio, I thought they were great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blmaddox View Post
    I recommend checking the facts on the CLEO sign off statement, this is not an accurate statement. Buying a silencer requires CLEO sign off, but not applying for an FFL license. As an active sponsor of this forum, my goal is to avoid conflict and bring value.... although I do struggle with watching misinformation being dispersed and having the service we offer denigrated. I will copy the information we were asked to post about our company when we became a sponsor...

    Some valuable tools we bring to the process.
    • Local issues can be a large obstacle, we have clear processes to overcome local issues, including letter templates for most areas with obstacles.
    • We have entire chapters for states that have state requirements on top of the federal requirements.
    • Most applicants are worried about the ATF meeting. We have an 88 page prep guide from their leader’s manual to ensure you are stress free and ready. Yes, there are a lot of pictures… not all needs to be read.
    • Most applicants like to apply in their own name, which now can make setting up wholesale accounts difficult, we provide some insights on other ways.
    • Wholesalers are “picky” on who they do business with because inventories are low. We have a list of over 30,000 contacts and even insiders to help with the process.
    • ATF allows digital record keeping, we provide a free software tool to manage your records.
    • Brandon has been through the ATF process 8 times and current has an FFL and Class 3 (SOT) in four states. He is available for questions anytime and responds quickly. We have personally done FFL's from homes, warehouses, storage units, machine shops, virtual offices, etc.
    • We have ATF approved variances and know the FFL day to day activities inside out and can provide guidance in these areas as well.

    Thanks again for allowing us this opportunity to contribute positively to your community!

    Brandon L. Maddox, Owner of FFL123.com
    Yeah, I have been an FFL for several years. Upon FFL application, I was sent 2 sets of wet finger print cards. I went to my local police department with a copy of my application. They said we will finger print you but we won't act as CLEO. I asked why since that city is where my shop is located. They said it was a matter of liability on their part and the did not feel comfortable accepting my application. I asked, if you won't accept my application, who will? the told me to go to the County Police. I gave my application to a lieutenant who said he would give it to the chief.

    Later, at my ATF interview, the agent told me the Chief had "signed off." She also mentioned speaking to planning and zoning and to my title company. I own my own building.


    This is excerpted from atf.gov Licensing Questions. Technically, I stand corrected however If the CLEO had any objections, they would have been noted to ATF during the course of my application process. Any negative response CAN affect ATF's decision to grant a license.

    4.the applicant has sent or delivered a form to the chief law enforcement officer where the premises is located notifying the officer that the applicant intends to apply for a license; and...

    I stand by what I said. If you are telling people you can get anyone a home based FFL you are totally full of it and a dishonest lair. Try getting an FFL in NYC for example. For that matter, try getting one in the City of St. Louis MO.

    Are you going to walk the fools who have spent money for your kit through conditional hearing(s) for zoning variances? Pay attorney fees?

    I object to the forum even allowing you to advertise your type of B. S.
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