Massive Gun Failure... Not sure what to do

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    Question Massive Gun Failure... Not sure what to do

    I went to the range today to sight in my red dot and everything went perfect for about 70+rds. Then the gun jammed. It has jammed like this before, but that was when it was completely dry, no oil or anything. But when it happened the other times I simply yanked on the bolt and the casing came out, that was with brass casings though. The ammo I was shooting today was steel cased. I can feel the tooth catching on the casing a little bit but if i pull any harder it slips off the casing. I tried pushing it out with a cleaning rod but it wont budge. And the back of the casing is marred up really bad, which is why it wont pull out when I pull the bolt back. I've tried using a cleaning rod, needle nosed pliers, wire cutters (to get in the groove), and various other ways of prying it out. Does anyone have any idea of how I could get this out? I've tried about everything I can think of. Also, do you know how I could prevent this in the future? And lubrication was not an issue, I cleaned and lubricated my gun very well just the night before. Thanks for any advice.

    Also, this is an Ak47. Its a centurion 39 sporter to be exact.
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    You should be able to use a 5/16 rod from home depot to drive it out, I would not recommend using any lube in the chamber or the bore it should be dry, it can raise pressures (possible cause of jam)

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    Put a rod down the bore and pound the casing out, have the chamber checked by a qualified smith.
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    A dousing from both the chamber end and the barrel end with a good penetrating oil will help ease the problem of removing the stuck case. My favorite penetrating oil for this sort of application is Kroil.

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    Wooden dowel rod slightly longer then the barrel (3-4 inches) inserted thru the Muzzle and tapped out with hammer. A rubber/plastic mallet is best to prevent muzzle damage. Have the chamber inspected for roughness. Crappy ammo causes crappy problems.
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    another question is what are the main parts that should ALWAYS be lubricated, and what should never be lubricated? should the tooth that pulls the casing out not have anything on it? should the gas piston be lubricated? could this cause problems? thanks for any help
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    The "tooth" is called an extractor. Piston should not be lubricated with anything greater than a light film of oil.
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    I'm not real familiar with the AKs, but in general a weak extractor spring can result in stuck cases. Steel-cased ammo is even more likely to get stuck than brass ammo, plus the older stuff had lacquered cases. Once the chamber gets hot, the lacquer tends to leave a coating on the chamber which further increases the likelihood of sticky extraction. And OldVet said it well: crappy ammo causes crappy problems. Your ammo may have had dents or sizing problems even before it hit the chamber. Commie-bloc stuff may be cheap but quality control isn't as good as Western European or US-made ammo.

    A lot of good advice in the previous posts: drive the stuck case out with a wooden dowel, don't pry it out. Examine the case to see if there are "witness marks" from deposits in the chamber which could help identify the problem or the problem area. Or just take it to a gunsmith and let him get it out; more than likely he'll identify the problem and offer a solution.
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    For the future,a stuck case in the chamber is not considered a catostrophic rifle failure,your gun blowing up in your face would be considered 'Catastrophic"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    For the future,a stuck case in the chamber is not considered a catostrophic rifle failure,your gun blowing up in your face would be considered 'Catastrophic"
    Seems that would sure depend on where you are and what you are doing when the case got stuck. In the OP's situation I agree. (Not to mention, you are the only one that used the word "catastrophic".)
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