March 20th, 2010 10:59 AM
Excellent post, my wife has experienced some of the same type of responses that you have, she's very good at speaking up for herself and I get a kick out of it, they normally don't know how to take her. Texas has a lot of that good ole boy networking that goes on. Thanks for posting this. I showed her your post and she agrees wholeheartedly.
Originally Posted by merischino
"I dislike death, however, there are some things I dislike more than death. Therefore, there are times when I will not avoid danger" Mencius"
March 20th, 2010 11:54 AM
I judge many retailers by how they treat my wife, sister, inlaws etc. Not just gun stores. Treat her like crap, then say good by money. Because I will make it my mission to let as many people know as possible.
Last time I went into one of the "bad" gunstores in the area they were trying to convince a new female shooter that a 22 is all the gun she could handle, while the 45s she was looking at were "too much gun for her"
Poor woman was so confused and worried at that point, so I mentioned that my little 5'0" wife shoots full house 357 mag rounds out of her snub nose, and was the best shot in the Conceal carry class too while using that gun. Gave her a card to the good gun store, and told the salesman to have a nice day.
There is no excuse for bad service really. I can understand being busy, or having a bad day. But to be consistantly outright rude to people who you depend upon for income is not going to fly.
Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.
March 20th, 2010 07:53 PM
I've narrowed my local gun shops that I frequent down to the several that actually do have great customer service. For me, it's a must. It builds customer confidence and loyalty. I go out of my way to frequent those shops and I spend more money for things sometimes, but they've earned it with me. I'll spend a few dollars more for a few things if I know they will take care of any issues no questions asked.
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No Guns, No Safety, No Peace.
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March 20th, 2010 10:51 PM
I think I know that store. Academy just down the road a mile or so? And yes, they ignore my wife like many others apparently do as well.
Originally Posted by Bhamrichard
Did they say anything after that seething statement?
March 21st, 2010 12:45 AM
Nope........I think at the "Local Gun Shop Owners" forum I was reading that they find their customers to be rude and downright mean.
No really I wonder if our perception of their arrogance has to do with our own insecurity?
March 21st, 2010 01:00 AM
Yes. After a period of "hot" sales, some individuals forget where their good fortune comes from.
Originally Posted by OldVet
Money talks, or walks. And it does that very well. The single greatest power we have, of course, is that.
Screw me over, lie to me, show you aren't willing to work with me to get the answers to my questions ... and I walk. Show you're willing to help me find what I need, then I'm prepared to pay a bit of a premium (beyond the easily-found, least-expensive source) for that, since it saves me time and frustration. It's simple, and it's fair.
Of course, such good behavior ought to be the way of things. It's sad and ridiculous it needs even be mentioned. But, Sales 101 isn't a lesson that many modern salespeople have had, for a good long while yet. That's fine. Let 'em learn.
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self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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March 21st, 2010 01:21 AM
Gun Show Dealers not so different...
Hey there guys. Thought I would add my experience today at the local gun show. I went mostly for curiosity and to be social, having made my gun purchase last month I wasn't looking to buy another gun today, however one seller had exactly the P22 I'd been eyeing online and the sticker on it was exactly the online price. Since I'd had a good experience last month dickering at the gun show, I tried faithfully for a solid 30 minutes to get the eye of any one of 3 different salesmen who were dealing with men to the left of me, to the right of me, across from me, back on my left, then back past me over to my right. Until finally I just decided toheckwithitallididntwannadaggoneguntodayanyway and walked away. This time, the gun show had perhaps 1/3rd the people in attendance as last month, so although the table was fairly busy, there really was no reason for my being looked over for that length of time, given the number of folks who were walking up and getting served and walking away in that timeframe. It was just plain anti-woman and there was no bones about it.
No other gun dealer at the show had the gun I was interested in. I moseyed around, found some fellow shooters I knew and followed them around a bit until the one who'd turned me onto the 22lr for-fun idea asked me about it. I told her I couldn't get the time of day, and she took me right back over there, introduced me to the #1 Ignore Merischino Offender, who pretended he'd never seen me before, and being introduced by a frequent customer of his treated me like gold and would not leave my side for half an hour despite having a very very busy table. Even when I'd satisfied my every question, my friend had satisfied her every question, we had gone down several alternate pistol roads, you name it. He was told I was not going to make a purchase today (if he and my friend hadn't insisted on trying to sell me on a different gun than the one I had wanted to buy, I might have plunked down some money), but still did not feel a need to turn his attention to anyone else.
First, I was offended for my own self. Then, I was just plain perplexed -- I had the help I wanted, what gives? Are you my new best friend? Can I have you follow me up and down your very long table and discuss with me every dang gun I glance upon while everyone else here with good money gets ignored?
It just plain makes no sense to me. You would think that the dealers at gun shows, giving prices lower than normal brick-and-mortar retail, would be aiming for high volume turnover, right? What purpose does it serve to ignore customers based on gender? Or, what purpose does it serve to glom onto one non-buying customer when plenty others with good money and an interest in giving it to you sit by unattended?
The good news is, I got a fairly good deal on some Glock factory magazines that I needed. And a lovely leather wallet for $10. And lunch with some pals. And a chance to manhandle and try-on-for-size an expensive but worth-it Gun Toten Mamas holster purse that I've been thinking hard about. (which I might have bought if the dealer would have come my way in the 15 minutes I was ogling his wares)
ps it wasn't spite that kept me from buying a gun today -- it was the fact that my friend and this dealer presented not one, not two, but three very intriguing alternate options if I'm going to pursue the 22lr direction, and I felt that all three needed research before I could make a decision I believe I could stick with and not regret later. The two of them did me a good service today. Instead of a Walter P22, I need to research the ISSC 22 Glock-a-like, very very similar in size, shape, balance, materials, design, everything to a Glock 19. Or, a Browning Buck Mark, which I've shot before but hadn't found in the target price range before today. Or, the not seen but only heard of Diamondback something or other which IIRC could be a 22LR or it could be a .380. Not sure for sure just which.
People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
- Winston Churchill
March 21st, 2010 09:48 AM
I take my CZ-82 to the local gun store/gunsmith to have the rear sight pressed out and discuss some trigger reshaping. I know how to do it; I don't have the equipment.
I didn't care for this guy's attitude the first time I spoke with him. It didn't improve the second time. You'd think he might have warmed up a bit since on a second visit I qualified for "Repeat Customer" status.
Mr. Expert Gunsmith looks down the bright, shiny bore, gets that "What-a-piece-of-junk" look on his face, and asks, "Why'd you buy this? The rifling is all shot out."
I reply, "Everyone says that the first time they look at the CZ-82. It's polyagonal rifling."
He gives me the "No Crap" look and says, "I know what that is, but there's no rifling in this. It's gonna keyhole like crazy."
Says I, "Well, it doesn't. In fact, it shoots pretty well."
I pull out the target I'd saved from my test firings the day before and show him the nice, round bullet holes in it (in a respectable grouping considering my less-than-expert abilities). Occasional flyers, the rest in fist-sized groups.
"If you say so," says he.
I thought I just did?
So, other than having him press the sights out, I've decided that there're other gunsmiths who might appreciate a little business coming their way without using sarcasm.
He had his shot at my money; he blew it.
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Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid...
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March 21st, 2010 10:01 AM
Good for you! He deserves your loyalty. I would do the same and have in the past.
Originally Posted by DIABLO9489
You may now carry on with your absurd non-directional bantering.
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