Delta force goes to 9mm
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June 3rd, 2006 06:27 PM
Delta force goes to 9mm
In the several books on the Army's secret Delta force (after which the TV series "The Unit" is based), it is mentioned that they switched from using .45-cal pistols to 9mm.
I surmise that is because these guys are perhaps the best combat shooters in the world, shooting of millions of rounds in highly realistic practice scenarios. (Practice makes perfect.)
In that case, it makes little difference what caliber the round is that enters the perp's eye socket, but being able to carry 17 rounds instead of 6-8 does make a big difference.
June 3rd, 2006 06:27 PM
June 3rd, 2006 07:32 PM
From what i understand they switch pistols and caliber for mission specific use
June 3rd, 2006 07:39 PM
August 19, 1970 - June 2012
'Inside Delta Force' is more than a little dated. Haney was the first CSM for Delta. He's been retired for quite some time now. Nothing in that book should be considered current, by any stretch of the imagination.
June 3rd, 2006 08:46 PM
You are right,I did switch to a 9mm.
Originally Posted by Tholzel
Have Fun and Shoot Straight !!
June 3rd, 2006 10:42 PM
Avoid what you hear and learn about from the television shows like the plague. Most Special Operation Units such, Seal, Para Rescue, Force Recon..etc still issue slabsides in .45 Cal....or some other platform.
Listen, Think and React.....Nuff Said.....
June 4th, 2006 07:44 AM
You forgot the internet as well....
Avoid what you hear and learn about from the television shows like the plague.
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June 4th, 2006 10:07 AM
Just a side comment about the post ....Alot of people say " practice makes perfect " As a friend of mine says which i agree with .....' Practice makes Permament " the reason i think that if u train bad habits thats what u will learn bad habits.
Was kinda off the subject but i thought i would throw it in .
June 4th, 2006 10:22 AM
Perfect practice makes perfect
June 4th, 2006 11:54 AM
Why are all the high speed low drag Marine special units going to the custom tricked out Kimbers and such? I don't know if I believe it.
If they weren't limited to ball ammo in the 9mm, I could Almost believe it.
They know from Afghanistan and Iraq what poor performer 9mm ball is.
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June 7th, 2006 04:25 PM
It's true that nothing beats the .45 in stopping a perp in his tracks--especially if you are not that great of a shot. But if--like the Delta Force guys--you are a perfect shot, able to hit your target time and again under all sorts of conditions--then it makes sense (to me) to carry more rounds rather than fewer, since an excellent shot with a 9mm round will kill a BG just as well as an excellent shot with a .45.
Originally Posted by Lawrence Keeney
June 7th, 2006 04:47 PM
That's my understanding, too, and there must be a big list to choose from. I've heard everything from Glock 26 to HKP7M8 through 1911s and the big HK with the suppressor, based on a great opportunity I had a couple years ago to chat with some Navy Specwar guys. I got the impression that any of these kinds of experts could use about anything and get the job done.
Originally Posted by Bud White
June 7th, 2006 05:02 PM
sometimes a 9mm HP will expand.....
but a .45 will not get smaller
June 7th, 2006 05:20 PM
Det-1 ordered 100 Kimber, MEU(SOC) ordered 150 Springers.
Why are all the high speed low drag Marine special units going to the custom tricked out Kimbers and such?
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December 4th, 2013 11:11 AM
I like the points you make above but if I might add to it: There really is no such thing as stopping power except on television or in movies. Bullets punch holes and let the juices out. The bigger the bullet the bigger the hole. That's it! Always shoot for center of mass! Always put at least two on center to inflict the maximum damage, and always move afterward so your position is ever changing. Standing in one spot unloading mag after mag trying to get a head shot is akin to turning the gun on yourself! Don't do it and don't act like you are in a movie! As someone said earlier, perfect practice makes perfect. I have never heard that before but I have heard "Success is where preparation meets opportunity" and find that to be a very true statement. Plan and Prepare diligently and if the time ever comes for you to have to employ that plan your preparation will pay off! In reverse, you can have the biggest gun in the world but if you can't hit the broadside of a barn with it under the stress of incoming rounds you are not likely to be successful!
Originally Posted by Tholzel
December 4th, 2013 11:19 AM
You know his highness's birthday certificate was on the internet
does that not validate the internet.
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