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    Relax; gun rights are secure

    Stratton Wayne St.Clair

    St.Clair is a graphic artist living in Roanoke.


    While I do not like guns and don't own any, I have marksman and sharpshooter
    ribbons from the military. I support the Second Amendment. If guns are
    outlawed, only the government will have guns, and that worries me far more
    than any criminal.

    Still, I do not support the people who want to take their guns everywhere, who
    claim this or that administration is threatening those rights or think it's
    all right to take guns to political rallies, who want them in schools, bars or
    even church.

    Who do they think they are? Do they think flaunting their guns is supposed to
    make the rest of us feel safe? They don't. I see a potential threat instead.

    I have no idea how sane they are. And from some of their actions, I suspect
    that they aren't very sane at all. Whoever thinks a loaded gun in a bar is a
    bright idea once the alcohol is flowing is an idiot. The Old West ended 100
    years ago.

    What would've happened if guns had been allowed in the classrooms at Virginia
    Tech? Odds are, far more injuries and deaths. I can see it now. Seung-Hui Cho
    starts shooting and all the wannabe cowboys return fire like it's the
    shoot-out at OK Corral, and there would have been far more innocent people
    wounded and killed.

    There is no convincing me otherwise. I have no faith in these armchair
    warriors. Basic training taught us how to be calm under fire. Most people
    haven't had that training, and once the shooting started, they would be so
    pumped up with adrenaline there would be shooting everywhere. Shooting a buck
    or a target is not the same as shooting at someone who is shooting back.

    The gun-rights kooks disproved their whole "the government is taking away my
    rights" thesis recently by holding a rally with loaded weapons in a national
    park within spitting distance of D.C. Did they think the government was afraid
    of them? Phfft.

    All they proved was that the Constitution was alive, that their rights were
    not being threatened and that our system was working. Do they really think
    that they would have been allowed to do that if it weren't?

    Yet, both the GOP and the National Rifle Association spread misinformation to
    those who have a hard time reasoning things out that their gun rights are
    about to be taken away. They have been doing this for decades in order to
    separate fools from their money, aka fund raising.

    The reality is this: No one is going to take away people's precious guns. For
    the record, amending the Constitution to give or take away rights is a long
    and tedious process. It takes a two-thirds vote in both houses of Congress,
    and then two-thirds of all the state legislatures have to approve as well. It
    takes years, and there is no way even the most strident anti-gun lobby will
    ever be able to pull that off, so people can put away their ammo.

    Only the most fanatical seem incapable of understanding that a background
    check or a waiting period or a limit on the number of guns they can buy at one
    time are not threats to their gun rights but common sense and an attempt to
    keep us all safer.

    A society that thinks it needs to be armed to the teeth all the time within it
    is not a healthy society.
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    Once again the Roanoke Times shows its anti-gun bias.
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    I think the guy misses the point.

    The gun-rights kooks disproved their whole "the government is taking away my rights" thesis recently by holding a rally with loaded weapons in a national park within spitting distance of D.C. Did they think the government was afraid of them? Phfft.

    All they proved was that the Constitution was alive, that their rights were
    not being threatened and that our system was working. Do they really think
    that they would have been allowed to do that if it weren't?
    Doesn't he realize that we aren't "ALLOWED" to protest the government? Doesn't he realize that we aren't "ALLOWED" to keep and bear arms? Both of those things are our RIGHT and all the protesters did was ensure that the government was made aware that WE ARE WATCHING THEM and that we are prepared to defend our rights.

    Yes, government is afraid of us. That's why they keep trying to take away our rights.

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    He's right....it's not a healthy society. All you have to do is look around, watch the news, or read the idiotic Roanoke Times.

    As he said, there's no convincing him otherwise...ignorance must be bliss.
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    The Army has 3 levels of weapon proficiency; marksman, sharpshooter, and expert. 23 years ago I entered the Army as a young Infantryman. If you shot anything less than expert it was frowned upon. In other words, I'm not impressed. You had to at least shoot marksman to pass. So I guess he thinks because he went through Army basic this qualifies him as an expert and we should all bow down and savor his words of wisdom. Well, I'm still serving after all these years and just completed my second tour in Iraq. I'm a Texas CHL holder and over the years I have had more weapons training than most LEOs. However, this buttmunch is the type that would prevent me and my fellow CHL holders from carrying in a college classroom. That worked out well at VA Tech. However, using this idiot's logic more would have died if we had a bunch of "gun nuts" like myself there. Let's just take guns away from the cops. I wouldn't want a bunch of cops shooting innocents by mistake under pressure. Oh, I'm sorry, they're well trained like Mr. John Wayne turned graphic artist. He's probably one of the lesser performers I've seen tossed out over the years. Leave it to the Roanoke Times to appoint a graphic artist as their Second Amendment expert. What a tool!

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    I think this individual would do well in England, he should move there as they share his philosophies and he would fit right in.
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    Only the most fanatical seem incapable of understanding that a background
    check or a waiting period or a limit on the number of guns they can buy at one
    time are not threats to their gun rights but common sense and an attempt to
    keep us all safer.
    I wonder what his reaction would be if someone said the same of a typewriter or word processor.
    When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
    "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way."

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    Who do they think they are? Do they think flaunting their guns is supposed to
    make the rest of us feel safe? They don't. I see a potential threat instead.

    I have no idea how sane they are. And from some of their actions, I suspect
    that they aren't very sane at all.
    Well, when I carry concealed I am not flaunting my gun. That's the point, the bad guys don't know what I have. As for not being sane, only an insane person would believe that we'd be better off with no guns. Look at Australia for example. They confiscated private arms but had a huge increase in gun violence. The sane people are those who understand that a bad guy doesn't give a **** about our laws which is evident by their being thieves, rapists, & murderers. There's no question that having an armed citizen could have saved many lives in different situations over the years. Laws against carry only protect the criminal element. We all know that.

    On the idea of bringing a gun to a bar. Not everyone who is at a bar is a drinker. I've on many occasions gone to a bar to hang out and be the designated driver because I did not want my friends driving themselves. Sometimes when people are at a bar they don't get drunk. How about we hold someone 100% accountable for their actions even after drinking? Oh wait...we do that anyway

    Would this guy change his tune if a CCW holder saved his life one day? I often wonder...
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
    -Thomas Jefferson

    Laws are restrictive but sometimes necessary to maintain a civil society. Rights are nonrestrictive but are always necessary to maintain a free society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmdrdredd View Post
    Well, when I carry concealed I am not flaunting my gun. That's the point, the bad guys don't know what I have. As for not being sane, only an insane person would believe that we'd be better off with no guns. Look at Australia for example. They confiscated private arms but had a huge increase in gun violence. The sane people are those who understand that a bad guy doesn't give a **** about our laws which is evident by their being thieves, rapists, & murderers. There's no question that having an armed citizen could have saved many lives in different situations over the years. Laws against carry only protect the criminal element. We all know that.

    On the idea of bringing a gun to a bar. Not everyone who is at a bar is a drinker. I've on many occasions gone to a bar to hang out and be the designated driver because I did not want my friends driving themselves. Sometimes when people are at a bar they don't get drunk. How about we hold someone 100% accountable for their actions even after drinking? Oh wait...we do that anyway

    Would this guy change his tune if a CCW holder saved his life one day? I often wonder...
    Since he doesn't think I should have a gun, I'll respect his wishes and not use my weapon to protect him. The silly part of all of this is that in Virginia, we don't have "bars" per say. We have restaurants that serve alcohol. They are categorizing any restaurant that serves alcohol as a "bar." That means that for now (until July 1st anyway) when I take my family to Outback Steakhouse to eat a nice meal, I can't conceal my firearm while I drink sweet tea with my wife and kids. In the corner, away from the bar. I can currently open carry in such an establishment, and have on rare occasions, but have typically just patronized places that do not sell alcohol. The law effective 7/1 states that a CHP holder can carry a handgun concealed in such an establishment as long as they do not consume alcohol. That seems like a responsible and reasonable approach to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    Since he doesn't think I should have a gun, I'll respect his wishes and not use my weapon to protect him. The silly part of all of this is that in Virginia, we don't have "bars" per say. We have restaurants that serve alcohol. They are categorizing any restaurant that serves alcohol as a "bar." That means that for now (until July 1st anyway) when I take my family to Outback Steakhouse to eat a nice meal, I can't conceal my firearm while I drink sweet tea with my wife and kids. In the corner, away from the bar. I can currently open carry in such an establishment, and have on rare occasions, but have typically just patronized places that do not sell alcohol. The law effective 7/1 states that a CHP holder can carry a handgun concealed in such an establishment as long as they do not consume alcohol. That seems like a responsible and reasonable approach to me.
    In FL a bar or nightclub, meaning an establishment that makes it's money from alcohol, is off limits for carry. A restaurant that has a bar area is alright as long as you are not seated in the bar area and are not consuming alcohol. You just cannot go sit at the bar, even if you're drinking tea, soda, water etc.

    Glad to hear you're state's stance on the law is changing.
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    Laws are restrictive but sometimes necessary to maintain a civil society. Rights are nonrestrictive but are always necessary to maintain a free society.

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