Drunks are the real danger -- Roanaake Times LTE

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    Drunks are the real danger -- Roanaake Times LTE

    http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/letters/wb/246761

    Drunks are the real danger

    Re: "We will become the Wild West," May 4 letter:

    Many places that serve booze had a bad reputation before the right to carry a concealed weapon into them became law. Arguments, fights and people getting injured and killed are commonplace in establishments where alcohol is served, not to mention drunks getting into motor vehicles and endangering other drivers on our roadways. Many a newspaper or TV news account tells of some drunk who has caused a bad wreck.

    Riley Cash compares the right to carry weapons with the Old West. If he had taken time to read our Western history, he would have found out that there were very few "shoot 'em ups" as portrayed in movies and on TV. That gunplay was strictly the imagination of the scriptwriters.

    He, like all liberals, is like the boy who cried wolf. With liberals, it is always "What if? What if?" They want to drink their slop, but they don't want people to have the Second Amendment right to carry a weapon. Drunks are the danger to people, not the person with the legal right to carry a weapon.

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    CC and OC are legal here where alcohol is served, good luck finding any stories of a permit holder shooting anyone at a bar or alcohol serving restaurant.

    I did hear a story of a permit holder shooting someone at a party where there was plenty of alcohol. He was 21, and got his permit THAT DAY. He shot another guy who spilled beer on him, his BAC was found to be nearly 3 times the legal limit.
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    Alcohol is a far greater social ill. Ban drunks in bars and society would be much better off. I couldn't agree with Glen more.
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    Excellent letter. Wish more people would just use their brain a little...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    Alcohol is a far greater social ill. Ban drunks in bars and society would be much better off. I couldn't agree with Glen more.
    While I agreewith you that alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs (yes, on the list with cocaine and meth), I dont agree however that banning ANY substance is the answer.

    Today we are seeing the same exact thing the prohibition era saw with the non-legal drugs.

    Even with the "war on drugs" farce, drug usage, violent crime and murder has skyrocketed in the 40 years the war on drugs was introduced.

    So, banning alcohol and bars would just make the problem worse.
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    The issue was people saying society shold ban guns in bars because of the drunks. My point was we would be better off to ban the drunks in bars (i.e. not having drunks in public places) rather than banning the guns aspect. I have no issue with alcohol in general and am not advocating banning the substance, just that when people go out into public places and get drunk, that tends to lead to a number of various social ills. Having a drink and sitting at a bar getting hammered is two different things. If folks want to get hammered, society would be much better off if they did that in the privacy of their own home. JMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    The issue was people saying society shold ban guns in bars because of the drunks. My point was we would be better off to ban the drunks in bars (i.e. not having drunks in public places) rather than banning the guns aspect. I have no issue with alcohol in general and am not advocating banning the substance, just that when people go out into public places and get drunk, that tends to lead to a number of various social ills. Having a drink and sitting at a bar getting hammered is two different things. If folks want to get hammered, society would be much better off if they did that in the privacy of their own home. JMO.
    Okay, sorry for the confusion.
    But as far as banning public drunkenness, hell most states already have a law for that and is enforced regularly.
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    And most states already have a charge for displaying, threatening or even discharging a firearm while under the influence...

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    Same here in MN

    Quote Originally Posted by sigmanluke View Post
    CC and OC are legal here where alcohol is served, good luck finding any stories of a permit holder shooting anyone at a bar or alcohol serving restaurant.

    I did hear a story of a permit holder shooting someone at a party where there was plenty of alcohol. He was 21, and got his permit THAT DAY. He shot another guy who spilled beer on him, his BAC was found to be nearly 3 times the legal limit.
    There was one guy a few years ago that went home after an argument with the bouncer, got his gun and came back and shot him. Had nothing to do with CC as anyone could have done that. The wild west shotouts in bars is an old anti-gun persons last stand. It never holds water.
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    When MN was debating concealed carry, one of our local reps was up debating with a bulletproof vest on, talking about how gun battles would be raging in the street and innocent people would be killed if we passed it. Five years later, he was forced to admit that there wasn't an adverse effect of the law. As a group, concealed carry permit holders are less likely to be convicted of a violent offense than police officers.
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    I believe it has been shown that drive-tru restraunts cause more traffice accidents than sit down. Maybe drive-trus should be illegal.

    Well, there are fewer fights at a donut store then a bar. So the problem is not CC, but bars. Guess bars should be illegal. However I believe alcohol related crimes (and for that mater firearm related crimes) increased when there were no bars serving alcohol. I guess this is the greatest problem our society must solve.
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    Inanimate objects and substances are merely a couple of the tools of bad people. Since the beginning of time, mankind has been inflicting attrocities of various sorts on his fellow man. Before alcohol or guns, it was rocks and sticks. Bad people are the problem.

    As my tag line says, if you take guns off the streets you will still have a crime problem. Take criminals off the street and you will no longer have a gun problem. Same holds true with alcohol or whatever other device bad people cause problems with.
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