The Appleseed Project featured in the New York Times!

The Appleseed Project featured in the New York Times!

This is a discussion on The Appleseed Project featured in the New York Times! within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; The Appleseed Project has definitely hit the main stream! We are very excited to announce that the New York Times has published an in-depth, six ...

Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: The Appleseed Project featured in the New York Times!

  1. #1
    Member Array MeanStreaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Dayton, OH

    The Appleseed Project featured in the New York Times!

    The Appleseed Project has definitely hit the main stream! We are very excited to announce that the New York Times has published an in-depth, six page feature on our all-volunteer Marksmanship and Heritage program. Please read the NYT piece here:

    Unfortunately, there are several mis-characterizations in that article that The Appleseed Project wishes to address. It appears as if we were unfairly portrayed by a Mainstream Media outlet using subtle innuendo, outright falsehoods, and everything in between to label us as something we are not, as has happened with many pro-Liberty organizations in recent times.

    Please read our official response to the New York Times below and we invite you to help us educate anyone and everyone with these corrections.

    Dear Sirs:

    It is with some sadness and disappointment that we at the Appleseed Project read the New York Times article this evening. When the NYT originally asked us to host their media team in order to better understand what we do, we welcomed them. When they wanted access to our students, programs, and instructors, we acquiesced without hesitation.

    We did so because we have nothing to hide and no secrets in our program. There is no reason whatsoever to restrict or fear an open and honest press.

    We spoke with happiness and excitement about the stellar growth of our program over the last four years and our mission to bring every American to a greater sense of responsibility for our nation and to live out that feeling through civic involvement.

    Frankly, we opened ourselves up and said our piece in trust that it would be conveyed by the press to its readers.

    Sadly, today's article is not about us. It is not about the Appleseed Project. It is about militias and about anecdotal gun owners who are not members of our program. The constant focus on the militia movement, the Tea Party, and Mr. Faire are at the center of this article and as a result this article is not about us, since those things are not, and never have been the Appleseed Project.

    Frankly, there are among us those who feel that we have been poorly described and treated in this article, and I will return to that point in a moment.

    The real tragedy here, however, is a complete failure of the press to see the real story: Why does Appleseed double every year? Why are people of all races, genders and ideological affiliations drawn to the Appleseed Project? What is going on here?

    In its rush to cover the desired story, that is, scary militia groups, the NYT simply misses what is really important. Therein lies its disservice to both its readers and our program.

    Now, with respect to specific themes in the article that we feel incorrectly describe the Appleseed Project, let us simply address each in turn:

    Inaccuracy #1: Appleseed is Militia

    Appleseed is not a militia or interested in militia training. Appleseed teaches only in individual marksmanship skills and the history of April 19th, 1775. Appleseed does not provide training in military tactics or unit operations. Rather, Appleseed uses marksmanship as a way for modern Americans to reconnect with the Founders through a shared, traditional American skill. No more. No less. Appleseed does not see our government as an enemy or force of arms as a solution. Rather, our enemies are laziness, ignorance and apathy. Appleseed sees education and lived history as the means to get people to the real solution: Personal involvement in civic processes to ensure a better future for our nation. Our ancestors fought so that we would not have to; all we have to do is get off our couches and get involved.

    Where militias offer a dark haven for people with concerns about an unwelcome future, Appleseed offers reason for hope and sees bright, happy days ahead. That is the real reason we are not a militia nor associated with any such like-thinking group.

    Inaccuracy #2: Appleseed is White (and thus Racist in some fashion by extension)

    Appleseed is filled with students and instructors of all races, creeds, genders, and identities. We make no distinction for color, religion, sexual preference, political beliefs or any other discriminatory category. Our program is comprised at all levels of all Americans, and we explicitly urge all Americans to come. We have no patience for those who would take this great nation and divide it up by race, or who would single out someone else for ridicule or derision. There is no place in our cadre, among our students, or at our events for those who would put petty distinctions above unity and our joint past and future.

    Inaccuracy #3: Appleseed is Anti-Government, Anti-Military, Anti-Law Enforcement

    Appleseed is not anti-government, anti-military, or anti-law enforcement. Among our volunteers are people who work in law enforcement, the military, the government and nearly every civilian trade. We teach students who work in law enforcement, the military, the government, and any civilian occupation precisely because we are all Americans and inheritors of the same heritage and history. And together we must make our joint future.

    Appleseed has zero tolerance for anti-government, anti-military, or anti-law enforcement attitudes, comments or advocates. To the contrary, we offer free spots on our shooting lines for active duty military personnel and have been called onto military bases to teach troops deploying for overseas duty in combat theaters. Elected officials at any level of government are invited to participate in Appleseed without charge. Finally, it is our goal to get each and every participant involved in the body politic, which means we are always clear that we hold our government, the government given us by the Founders, in the highest regard.

    Soldiers, police officers, and government officials are not our enemies. They are our neighbors, friends, and protectors. At Appleseeds they are our honored guests.

    Inaccuracy #4: Appleseed is Right Wing

    Appleseed is a 501(c)3 not-for-profit organization with no interest in partisan politics. Appleseed volunteers and students come from all political parties, economic classes, and ideologies. We have no place for left wing, right wing, or any "wings" at all. Our program could not function that way, nor do we want it to.

    Our only interest in politics is with the political details that led to and followed from the events of April 19th, 1775. From our retelling of those events we find that students are often motivated to move into civic involvement themselves. We do not frame the prospective involvement of our students and look forward to the day when we see two Appleseed graduates from opposite sides of the political spectrum running against each other in a national election.

    Our goal is civic involvement across the ideological spectrum.

    Inaccuracy #5: Appleseed has a Secret Plan

    We wish we had a Secret Plan to get more people involved but we don't. There is no inner group, no special level, no wizard behind the curtain. There is only this: Our ancestors were left with two paths: submission or bloodshed. They chose the latter so that we could be left with a third path: citizenship and civic participation. To take this third path we must get off the couch, turn off the TV, and get involved in our communities. Those who would blather about a "choice" between submission and bloodshed in modern American do not understand what American was meant to be, or is.

    Civic participation is not our secret plan. It is our openly stated mission.

    In conclusion, it is my hope that the NYT and its readers continue their search for authentic information about the Appleseed Project so that they learn for themselves exactly what the Appleseed Project is, and what it seeks to create: a more active body politic. The current article is simply woefully lacking in that regard.

    If anyone has any interest in continuing this conversation or attending an event, please be sure to contact us through our website or via our email and we will be happy to meet you.

    We are open to all inquiries and harbor no ill-will toward the NYT or the author. We are certain that what lies behind this unfortunate description of our program is a deep-seated concern about firearms, marksmanship training and heritage programs. It is our stated mission to change that through the hard work of education and apparently we are right where we need to be.

    Thank you for your time, and thanks to your readership as well,

    The Appleseed Project
    National Branch
    Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.
    --Thomas Paine

    Learn how Project Appleseed Marksmanship and Heritage events support freedom.

  2. #2
    VIP Member Array ctsketch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Kimber makes .460 Caliber pistols
    Glock 19
    Kahr PM9
    Mossberg 590
    Shodan, Jujutsu

  3. #3
    VIP Member Array Janq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Please provide a source LINK for that response.

    That way myself and others can post and forward this information to friends and other gunfu family members so as to head off backlash from the article.
    Sending folks here to this forum toward same will not be purposeful.


    - Janq
    "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy

    "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing

  4. Remove Advertisements

  5. #4
    Lead Moderator
    Array pgrass101's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Well said, and yes please provid e a link to your reply
    A real man loves his wife, and places his family as the most important thing in life. Nothing has brought me more peace and content in life than simply being a good husband and father.

  6. #5
    Member Array MeanStreaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Dayton, OH
    Sorry about that.

    Our response to the New York Times is linked off of our website and can be found directly here:

    Thank you for passing it along to anyone.
    Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.
    --Thomas Paine

    Learn how Project Appleseed Marksmanship and Heritage events support freedom.

  7. #6
    Member Array MeanStreaker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Dayton, OH
    Michael Bane (of Shooting Gallery, Cowboys, DownRangeTV, etc) featured the NYT story on his weekly radio show:

    I was most impressed with how he relied on his background in investigative journalism to look at why the NYT and other mainstream media outlets create articles like they do.

    This should be required listening for every journalist and journalism major.
    Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.
    --Thomas Paine

    Learn how Project Appleseed Marksmanship and Heritage events support freedom.

  8. #7
    Member Array GlockLobster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    S. Coastal Maine
    Actually I didn't find the NYT article that inaccurate, outside of Kimber's 0.460's. He was almost spot on.

    I almost signed up, until I read about the organization. AppSd's shooting instruction seems great, but I don't want a hard sell history "lesson" wrapped in the flag.

Sponsored Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Similar Threads

  1. Project in New York
    By dylistn in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: October 7th, 2010, 04:43 PM
  2. FOXNews Covers Project Appleseed
    By MeanStreaker in forum General Firearm Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: August 18th, 2010, 11:05 AM
  3. Interesting New York Times Gun Article
    By cinsc in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: February 25th, 2010, 11:36 AM
  4. Maybe The New York Times Has Figured It Out
    By GHFLRLTD in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: April 7th, 2009, 12:29 PM
  5. The Appleseed Project
    By Captain Crunch in forum General Firearm Discussion
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: June 25th, 2008, 05:50 PM

Search tags for this page

military appleseed


project appleseed new york times


project appleseed nyt

Click on a term to search for related topics.