Mexico: Guns from the U.S., not illegal immigrants, are real problem

Mexico: Guns from the U.S., not illegal immigrants, are real problem

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    Mexico: Guns from the U.S., not illegal immigrants, are real problem

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americ...ex.html?hpt=C2

    Violence in the United States is not related to illegal Mexican immigrants, but violence in Mexico is connected to vast shipments of weapons from the United States, Mexico's foreign minister told CNN Thursday.

    Foreign Minister Patricia Espinosa pointed to efforts by Mexico to stop the flow of weapons, the great majority of which come from the United States.

    "Since 2006," she said in a wide-ranging interview with CNN's editorial board in New York City, "the Mexican government has seized over 85,000 weapons in Mexico."

    She noted that it's not just "regular weapons," but also machine guns, grenades and other high-power arms.

    Robert Pastor, a Latin America national security adviser for President Jimmy Carter in the late 1970s, pointed out last year there were at least 6,600 U.S. gun shops within 100 miles of the Mexican border and more than 90 percent of weapons in Mexico come from the United States.
    According to the NRA (American Rifleman, October 2010, "Standing Guard") 29% of felons in US prisons are criminal aliens, a majority of those on the FBI's most wanted murder list are illegal aliens, and 95% of murder warrants in LA are for criminal aliens.

    Do we really think that gun shops in the US are selling "machine guns, grenades, and other high-power arms" to the drug cartels? Some evidence please.

    How did this Pastor guy determine that 90% of weapons in Mexico came from the US?

    Sorry, but guns from the US are not the problem, the problem is the drug users who are funding all this craziness. You will not solve this problem by shutting down all the gun shops within 100 miles of the Mexico/US border.
    We're all in favor of reducing violent crime. It's just that pro-gunners have a method that is proven effective. Anti-gunners don't.
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    Of the guns that are traceable, a high number come from the US. Last week there was an article in the paper about a seizure of 140 guns purchased by legal buyers in straw buys here in Arizona, mainly at gunshows.
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    The problem isn't the guns we're sending into Mexico; the problem is that we're sending them without soldiers attached.
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    Maybe they should tighten up on their Northern border. Just sayin. Isn't checking incoming freight the responsibility of the receiving country? Funny how we get blamed coming and going on this one.
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    UM Yeah that is just messed up when you try and place blame one another country for your problems overlooking the obvious issues of drugs, drug lords, political corruption, and criminals run amok.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    Of the guns that are traceable, a high number come from the US. Last week there was an article in the paper about a seizure of 140 guns purchased by legal buyers in straw buys here in Arizona, mainly at gunshows.
    I assume you mean this:
    http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...ng-effort.html

    If you read carefully it doesn't say any were sold at gun shows, only that some of the FFL dealers that sold the guns also have booths at gun shows.

    Interesting article though.

    I'm not sure I'm happy about the return on investment here.... 80 ATF agents, 3 months of work and 141 guns stopped. 37.5 million more $$?? Wow.

    This statement was also interesting:

    "Although the effort was deemed a success, agents admit there is no reliable way to track the number of weapons from the U.S. being used in Mexico's ongoing drug war."
    We're all in favor of reducing violent crime. It's just that pro-gunners have a method that is proven effective. Anti-gunners don't.
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    Most of the guns going over from the Us are being purchased by Illegal cartel members in straw purchases and then being shipped back by paying some idiot $300.00 to smuggle ammo and guns across
    They busted a guy with like 20 kilos of cocaine,he was paid 1000.00 to deliver the shipment somewhere in Arkansas,he is now looking at serious prison time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coder View Post



    I'm not sure I'm happy about the return on investment here.... 80 ATF agents, 3 months of work and 141 guns stopped. 37.5 million more $$?? Wow.
    For the federal government that's a good return on their investment. For the rest of us...............well let's just say that we know better.

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    We just need to work out a trade with Mexico. They send us back all of our guns and we send them back all of their illegal immigrants. Problems solved.
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    I agree with Mexico. Our government has to stop selling guns to their government. That way their government (police, military, etc.) will stop selling guns to the cartels.
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    Here are just a few stories from North Carolina.

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6389481/

    http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/7075907/

    http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/5400299/

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3412604/

    Around here I-95 is referred to as Cocaine Alley. She needs to take the blinders off and look at the real cause of the problem, Mexican government corruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
    I agree with Mexico. Our government has to stop selling guns to their government. That way their government (police, military, etc.) will stop selling guns to the cartels.
    Ding, ding, ding, give that guy a a cigar.... now if we can just get a handle on all the full auto AK's, RPG's and other stuff that defiantly did not come from here.... can you say communist block countries......
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    Foreign Minister Patricia Espinosa pointed to efforts by Mexico to stop the flow of weapons, the great majority of which come from the United States.

    "Since 2006," she said in a wide-ranging interview with CNN's editorial board in New York City, "the Mexican government has seized over 85,000 weapons in Mexico."

    She noted that it's not just "regular weapons," but also machine guns, grenades and other high-power arms.
    Hm. Saying that a weapon "comes from" the U.S. is a bit like saying my Mauser M48 "comes from" Yugoslavia. Note that they make no mention of how any of the weapons were identified as coming from the U.S. Beyond which, saying "85000+ weapons have been seized in Mexico" doesn't say how many have come from the U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coder View Post
    "Although the effort was deemed a success, agents admit there is no reliable way to track the number of weapons from the U.S. being used in Mexico's ongoing drug war."
    Could it simply be that they're of U.S. manufacture and they're being deliberately vauge to spin the issue into a frothy sweetness for gullible consumers of mainstream media?

    The indication about "machine guns, grenades and other high-power arms" makes it strongly suspicious as a claim of having come from the U.S., as such things aren't generally available here. It's not as if Joe Schmoe can acquire grenades at the corner Wannabe's War, Riot, Mayhem & Surplus store. And what are these "high-powered" weapons being spoken of? .30-06 deer rifles? Or the standard pap about "assault" devices merely because they're black and have a grip for the off hand?


    I'm not sure I'm happy about the return on investment here.... 80 ATF agents, 3 months of work and 141 guns stopped. 37.5 million more $$?? Wow.
    Closing the border and simplifying, stiffening how "runners" and "cartel" types are handled would have a far greater payback.
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    I guess if this is such a problem, perhaps the Mexican government made a serious error when they published pamphlets teaching their citizens how to unlawfully enter the US?

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