I just saw on the local news (CCW'r shoots at cop)

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    I just saw on the local news (CCW'r shoots at cop)

    I couldn't believe when I heard, I've never heard of this before. I know permit holders have lost their permits or even been arrested but never shooting at a cop. Also, according to the guys uncle, he was a good guy, never been arrested and loved his job. None of this makes any sense. I'm starting to think he was a manchurian candidate. I don't put anything past our government. They are probably trying to set us back another 20 years by making permit holders look bad, you know with all the success we've been having lately.

    Here is the link,
    http://www.komotv.com/stories/44164.htm
    although it doesn't say he had a permit in the article, thats what they said on the tv. I hope it's not true.
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    There are some details missing...but according to other press reports, it sounds like this guy was irresponsible to start out with. Some other articles on this subject:

    "Nine years ago, he was expelled from Foss High School in Tacoma after showing fellow students a .38-caliber pistol in the trunk of his car. Sonntag's family sued the Tacoma School District in an effort to overturn the expulsion. According to a 1998 story in the News Tribune of Tacoma, the school district reached an agreement with Sonntag's parents that would allow Sonntag to enroll in any Tacoma school but Foss" - http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...rooper30m.html

    Another article--
    Dick Sonntag told his son, Jack, not to carry a gun.
    “He was a big strong kid,” the elder Sonntag said Thursday. “He didn’t need a gun for personal protection.”

    But the younger man, who played nose guard for his high school football team, carried a concealed weapons permit and packed a 9 mm pistol almost everywhere, his father said.

    Authorities believe a drunken Jack Sonntag used the pistol late Wednesday to gun down a Washington State Patrol trooper and then refused to drop it when cornered by Pierce County sheriff’s deputies. The deputies shot the 25-year-old man dead.

    Now trooper Kelly Kalmbach is in the hospital recovering from gunshot wounds, two deputies are on paid leave from their jobs and one of Tacoma’s most prominent families is in mourning.

    “It’s a tragic situation all the way around,” said state Auditor Brian Sonntag, the dead man’s uncle.

    Jack Sonntag was born Nov. 23, 1980, in Tacoma, where his family has held influential positions since the late 1940s. Dick Sonntag said he and his wife raised their son to do what’s right.

    “No one respected law enforcement more than Jack,” said Dick Sonntag, who believes alcohol impaired his son’s judgment.

    In 1998 when he was 16, Jack Sonntag found himself in the headlines after being expelled from Foss High School. He’d shown some friends an unloaded .38-caliber pistol stored in the trunk of his car, which violated the district’s zero-tolerance policy on guns. His parents sued the district, saying the punishment was too harsh. The case was settled when Jack Sonntag was allowed to re-enroll in the district but banned from Foss. He finished his schooling at Steilacoom High, where he played football.

    In 2003, Jack Sonntag was cited for carrying a weapon without a permit in Lakewood. A judge dismissed the charge with an order that forbid prosecutors from pursuing the case further, court records show. Dick Sonntag said his son was carrying the gun legally.

    “We never had a problem with him in any way, shape or form,” Dick Sonntag said. “To us, he was the most loved person. He came out and helped us in our new home, doing work around the house.”

    Jack Sonntag became an auto mechanic and was working at a Tacoma shop. His boss, Gary Klump, called him “an awesome employee.”

    “He worked on anything I gave him: water pumps, radiators, timing belts, brakes,” said Klump, adding he, too, advised Jack Sonntag to quit carrying his gun. “I said, ‘Jack, that’s just going to get you into trouble.’”

    Wednesday night, some time between 11:30 and midnight, Klump said his telephone rang. It was Jack Sonntag.

    “He asked me to come and get him. He just said it was bad,” Klump recounted. “He said he’d tell me when I got there.”

    By the time Klump arrived, Sonntag was dead.

    http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/l...-5216632c.html

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    Sounds like he was trouble way before he grew up. If he did have a CCW permit, it never should have been issued in the first place.
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    Sounds to me like his family used their "influential positions" to get their boy out of trouble more than once. I agree, he should never have recieved, or else lost his permit, before now.

    Also, where was he drinking? Isn't it illegal to carry in a bar?

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    I don't know if Washington has the "no carry in bars or where alcohol is served" law, Oregon doesn't.

    Yes, sounds like the son would have never gotten a permit normally but I think that mommy and daddy had alot to do with his being able to do so

    You know the anti's will jump all over this one, of course ignoring the fact that it was one of their own, as in, an elitist.

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    Ya know, there is all this hoopla about a permit holder commiting a crime, blah, blah, blah. The antis will try and use this to show that permit holders are bloodthirsty and so on. How many people that commit crimes DON'T have a permit vs how many commit crimes that DO have a permit? I bet you the results are staggering.
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    No figures to hand but I'll wager the permit holder crimes are a drop in the ocean - not that we want to see any ever.

    Sure sounds like this guy should not have been carrying at all - and as for bars etc - he could as easily have gotten well drunk in a house and then gone postal elsewhere.

    I am relieved the trooper is seemingly going to recover - that is very welcome news.

    Bad news all round tho.
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    Back several months ago one of our enterprising members pulled the statistics for several states on the crimes commited by permit holders and nonholder. I seem to recall that Florida and Texas were in the list and the differences were enormous. I'll see if I can find the thread and post it here.
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    Troubled kid. It would not surprise me if he did not have a license.

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    Here is the link to the earlier thread about % of Crimes commited by CCW. Funny, but the Texas statistics posted in this thread were by Rock and Glock. Thanks, Richard.

    http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=8295
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    Here's the list of Texas Crimes for CHL's versus nons. It dates back to 2001. I canít find anything more recent on the DPS site.

    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis.../convrates.htm

    This is from 2005 and shows the number of CHLís and how many have been revoked...

    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...hicsummary.PDF
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    Quote Originally Posted by JT
    Here's the list of Texas Crimes for CHL's versus nons. It dates back to 2001. I canít find anything more recent on the DPS site.

    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis.../convrates.htm

    This is from 2005 and shows the number of CHLís and how many have been revoked...

    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...hicsummary.PDF
    Based on that, about 1.2% of Texans have a CHL, and commit 0.5% of the listed crimes.

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    A matter of probability

    It seems to be that he got his permit through his families influence. By keeping him from being prosecuted for offences that may have invalidated his application.

    That said, some people who should not get permits slip through the net. Just as some peole who should not be cops are cops and some people who should not be military are military. So, it's hardly an argument agaist CHL. The numbers are tiny. Far more people are killed by swimming pools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky
    Sounds like he was trouble way before he grew up. If he did have a CCW permit, it never should have been issued in the first place.

    The way that Reads i Agree to that

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