This is a discussion on Bizarre A Civilian Asks To See Your Permit! within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; how about hey barrney when do graduate the acadamy iv had guys going to the police acadamy act like leos before while i was bouncing ...
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how about hey barrney when do graduate the acadamy iv had guys going to the police acadamy act like leos before while i was bouncing at a club i escorted them to the door just like every one else lol seems like this guy might have been one of those types
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Because of this question,I have practiced what to say. Simply ask if he is a L.E.O..If he cant answer the Question. Tell him to go away.and Mind his own biz.
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I also have a thought, that if the person carrying is an LEO and working undercover, this other dude really has some explaining to do, for possibly blowing the officer's cover.
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I would have done the same only more curt and abrupt replying with something like "I only need a permit to be legal and you're gonna have to figure this one out on your own." I'm fairly positive he would have indentified himself as LEO up to this point.
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You did good , I would have done the same.
Something to consider ...
1. The guy is a big and identifies himself as an ex-Marine.
2. He's in your face.
3. He's making you uncomfortable.
If the state has a duty to retreat, what are your obligations?
Best,
Jon
"You may not know it, but there's things that gnaw at a man worse than dyin'."
Charles Travis Postlewaite, 1882
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Thank God, for the great state of Arizona! No retreating here!!!Originally Posted by BigJon
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Sitting at a restaurant table and a brawny military-type guy gets in your face? No real retreat is possible, as it would practically require going through him to do so. The guy would have cut off the path, effectively boxing in the citizen. In short, such a person will try that form of vigilantism once too often ... and get a rude awakening to what rights someone has.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
Thoughts: Justifiable self defense.
Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
NRA, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.
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You forgot one: He's also obviously deranged acting that way when the initial contact initiated by HIM is about YOUR possession of a firearm!
Btw, my friends in the USMC are constantly in MY face that there is no such thing as an "Ex Marine" that's like an "Ex-Con" nooooo they say that there are only FORMER marines....
Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.
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What a Jackass.
-Bill
"Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."
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Obviously, you would show your CHL to a LEO. I guess the owner/manager is another story. Since we are bound to conceal our weapon from civilians (at least in Texas) I would think that the owner/manager wouldn't have the right to personally ascertain If I had a permit or not. If he felt uncomfortable or had doubts then his recourse would be to call law enforcement. Even if there was a posted "no carry" it still needs to be left up to a LEO to determine my ability to carry (however, I would never be found spending my money in an establishment that was "no carry").
Guess I'm rambling here but bottom line; unless you are a LEO I'm not showing you anything.
"Do not fear those who disagree with you; fear those that do and are too cowardly to admit it" - Napoleon
I think the point about the situation being one in which you probably don't have a chance to retreat given the scenario (an assumption yet, but a logical one) is a good point.
As the initial question, here's what I'm fairly certain I'd do. Referring to the original post, I think I'd have done two things differently. First, at the initial query, I would have turned my body if necessary to un-restrict my body and strong-side arm to the extent possible. A person who would confront another like that out of the blue is a little nutty anyway, so that would be a prudent move. Second, after "Are you in Law Enforcement ? He said no but I would still like to see your "carry permit?" I would have simply said ...
"No."
That would have left it to him as to whether he wanted to push things to my next "color code" or not.
Yep. I'd say that is succinctly accurate! lol!
Last edited by BigJon; August 19th, 2006 at 11:45 AM.
"You may not know it, but there's things that gnaw at a man worse than dyin'."
Charles Travis Postlewaite, 1882
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No duty to retreat in KS either. However, in that case, I would ask him politely to get out of my face and mind his own business. Failing that, I would change the subject and engage in a different discussion altogether. If that failed, he persisted, and I felt that I was in immediate danger of bodily harm, I would preemptively gouge one or both of his eyes out with my thumbs. He may get a few punches in, but definitely he would be the one leaving the scene with a permanent disability.
Oh, and then I would file a civil suit against him for emotional distress, pain, and suffering. This is all assuming the worst and that LE is on the way.
Whatever doesn't kill you postpones the inevitable.
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"Sir, unless you are delivering food to my table I suggest you go sit down and leave me alone. I do not wish to have any trouble."
Walk steathly - and carry a big Springfield.
Of course, no one here has yet thought of the following low-testosterone response that I'm sure would ended the situation VERY quickly!
Q: "I think I can see the imprint of your gun, and if your are not in Law Enforcement I would like to see your "carry permit."
A: Just say, "It's a colostomy bag!" And then burst into tears.
"You may not know it, but there's things that gnaw at a man worse than dyin'."
Charles Travis Postlewaite, 1882
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