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    Need rifle guys advice

    Recently I bought a Rem 700 SPS Tactical in .223 to hunt fox. My question has to do with types of ammo and bullet weight.

    The gun has a 20 in heavy barrel on it and I was shooting Wolf 62 grain rounds. I know that isn't the best ammo but my groups at 100 yards are hoooorrible! Theres no rhyme or reason to where it shoots next. One shot itll be close to dead on, the next off by an inch or more in any direction. Im shooting from a bipod and also just a bench rest. Im not the best shot by any means but I can group shots better then this with my 300 mag! So theres no reason I shouldnt be able to do the same/better with this thing.

    Its got a 1 in 9 twist I believe. What do you guys thinks the problem? Taking out all weather factors. You think its ammo?? I heard people say something about the barrel not being free floating anymore once you put it on the bipod but still.........you think it would make that much a difference??

    If its ammo thats the culprit what grain would someone use in this size gun. I dont wanna go out buyin all sorts of ammo if none of them are any better then the other, whats why I figured Id ask first.

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    What kind of optic are you using?

    Maybe try some 55gr bullets. What kind of groups are you expecting?
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    It's one of two things.

    1. You have a bad scope or something is loose. It could even be a loose stock screw.

    2. Your gun doesn't like the ammo or the twist rate in your barrel doesn't like the 62 grain bullet. Try something better than wolf in 55 grains. i think this will fix your problem.

    ETA when I say "bad scope" I mean it's broken. Not just a cheapo "bad scope". Even a Tasco will let you shoot decent groups at 100 yds.
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    My optic is a Bushnell 3x9, not the best scope but I figured It was an ok one. And with this gun shooting from a rested position Id expect to shoot 3 shot 1 inch groups at 100 yards, personally I dont think thats asking to much. I can do the same with my 300 mag. The groups Im seeing on it now are more like 3-4 inches and all over the place. One shot high and to the right, the other low and to the left. I cant explain it..
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    Cool

    I am assuming the bipod is attached to the forearm and not the barrel. Like buckeyeLCPL asked what type of optics are you using? I do not like the Wolf Brand of ammo at all. I prefer quality made ballistic tip type ammo for precision work in my Stag # 1. Ammo selection is trial and error to find what your rifle likes best. Mine likes 75 gr. Honady TAP for the best groups and I have a 3X9 Burris scope mounted on my flat top receiver. I shoot other brands and bullet weights of ammo for recreation but for business I use the Hornady.

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    With variation like that, I think it could be something coming loose, like timmy said. Who did the scope installation job? What kind of mounts and rings?

    Try some 55gr ammo, not made by wolf, see if it makes a difference.

    My 700 SPS in .308 shoots about 1 1/2 inch groups with Silver Bear from a supported position, and under an inch with Remington rounds of the same weight.
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    As stated prior, I would first get some quality ammo and check for loose/broken items.
    Here is a basic twist rate/bullet weight chart for a number of calibers.

    http://www.shilen.com/calibersAndTwists.html
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    How would i check to see if somethings broken? I mean physiclly from the outside everything looks tight and intact. Not sure about the inners of the scope tho.
    To answer some other peoples questions
    I mounted the scope myself

    And the bipods attached to the foregrip where the sling would be attached to.
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    Given what you say, the first thing would be different/quality ammo.
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    Thanks everyone, Now that I think about it the ammo may be the problem. I run the Wolf in my AR to (bought a case when I bought my AR) and the accuracy with that isn't great either. I always chucked it up to the cheap scope I have on the AR but it maybe the ammo.

    I just have a hard time swallowing the 23 dollar price tag for 20 rounds of .223 in something along the hornady lines. But if thats what'll make the diff I guess ill have to give it a try
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    Resonably priced quality match ammo.

    http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index....t-ammo/sort/2a

    Fiocchi is decent for the price.
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    With what you said above I'd try new ammo next. That's the easy fix. If that doesn't work I'd try a new scope. Switching scopes is the only way to tell if something inside the scope is broken.

    Lastly there may be a pressure bedding problem with the stock (meaning that the stock is pushing or pinching the barrel in some way). If the other two things don't work then we can get into this. This one is the hardest to fix.
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    Yea I try a good box of ammo that might solve your issue, double check rings/mounts but like most have said ammo would be where I'd start
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    Given what you say, the first thing would be different/quality ammo.


    what he said...

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    3-4 inch groups sound about right for that ammo.
    Here is a guys tests with a 1/7 and 1/9 twist AR-15.
    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=505915
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