Are there any civilian self defense incidents where over 10 rounds were fired?

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    Are there any civilian self defense incidents where over 10 rounds were fired?

    This occurred to me to be the perfect argument against a new magazine ban.

    This video says 10 rounds fired but then the shooter says, "I had to kill him." So it had to be 10 or 11 at least. But then she immediately responded to another possible threat.

    I'm sure we are all familiar with Jeanne Assam and the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs. This wasn't spray and pray. She had to run down a man who was firing an AK at her.

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    I can't think of a civilian incident where more than 10 rounds were fired off the top of my head but that really doesn't matter to me. Even if there has never been one, that doesn't mean that MY incident won't require more than 10 rounds to be fired by me to protect my family. And besides, where exactly in the constitution does it give Congress the power to tell me how many rounds of ammunition I can carry in a single magazine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TN_Mike View Post
    And besides, where exactly in the constitution does it give Congress the power to tell me how many rounds of ammunition I can carry in a single magazine?
    That "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." part. Though I do agree with the principle, it would help to make the case that suggesting such bans is naive and uneducated. Unfortunately I do not have on hand any examples of round counts with armed encounters.

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    I recall hearing of a Rangemaster (Tom Givens) student that need a reload on a 1911 to deal with two would be robbers, but I don't recall hearing a round count.
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    James Lovell, the hero of the Subway shooting in Miami, got the job done with one clip but he did reload and his odds would have been better with more capacity in the first magazine.

    This is a difficult point because it depends on the exact circumstances. For HD, the more the merrier. For CC, you want the gun to be as compact as possible. I carry a 10 rd mag onboard and have a 17 on the side as backup. So, if we're talking CC, the real question concerns your carrying profile.

    Being an avid reader of Armed Citizen, I do note that the vast majority of SD shootings involve 1 or 2 shots. Seems that most BGs see a muzzle blasting away in their direction and they tend to move in a direction away from said muzzle, if they can.
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    I read of one incident where the defender emptied his 1911, and the threat only ended because the BG's shotgun jammed, and the BG was too drunk to clear it. The BG walked (!) back home despite several .45 hits...he was the next door neighbor. He was arrested.

    Then there was the guy who walked with a cane who stopped to help an officer who was down on the ground, with a huge body-builder type thug on top of him who was trying to get to the officer's sidearm. The good samaritan almost emptied his pistol into the thug with no apparent effect. Last shot to the head from 3 feet away finally ended the assault - but even then, death was not instantaneous.

    Handguns are not death rays - I don't care what caliber you're using. Shoot them quickly, and often. That's the best argument in favor of higher capacity mags.
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    Well, there's this one: http://frontsight.com/newsletter/html/34-interview.html

    The guy was carrying 10+1 and emptied it. If there had been a third attacker or if the one that didn't run still had some fight in him, a few extra rounds would have been useful.
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    I can think of a couple, but none really help the argument. One was a gunshop owner in FL who ran off burglars with a FA S&W 76 and an AR15. Another would be the Beverly Hills jewelry store in VA. Only problem is they used multiple revolvers not high capacity magazines. Third is Lance Thomas, another jewelry store owner who survived multiple robberies, but again with multiple handguns.

    But who cares? The antis don't want a 10 round mag limit, they want another step towards a bigger and more comprehensive ban.
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    Who was the handicapped guy that shot someone for beating a cop? I believe there were some lawsuits involved. I remember he had to shot that guy a bunch to end it. My google fu is weak on this one.
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    That's the second incident in 10thmtn's post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    This occurred to me to be the perfect argument against a new magazine ban.

    This video says 10 rounds fired but then the shooter says, "I had to kill him." So it had to be 10 or 11 at least. But then she immediately responded to another possible threat.

    I'm sure we are all familiar with Jeanne Assam and the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs. This wasn't spray and pray. She had to run down a man who was firing an AK at her.
    This incident was in no way even remotely like a typical self-defense shooting scenario. For one, Murray was armed with an AR-15 and trying to commit mass murder. Assam also had to engage Murray at relatively long range, which is also very un-typical.

    Assam acted very heroically, but her shooting skills were actually not that fantastic. She shot Murray twice in the thigh, and once in the wrist, for a total of 3 hits. She failed to score one single center body mass hit on him.

    The good news, though, is that wounds like that can disable an attacker. Murray could no longer walk, and could no longer use one hand. So there was no way for him to continue on with his attack on the church members with his AR-15. Murray became so discouraged, that he gave up, and ended his own life using a 9mm pistol that he was carrying.

    So either sheer luck, or heavenly intervention, aided Assam that day.

    What many people don't know about Murray is that the police found over 500,000 pornographic images on his home computer, including a great deal of child pornography. In addition, he had begun to worship Satan in the last months of his life. Police found this writing written by Murray only hours before he went on his killing spree:




    This was yet another case of a young man going insane, and no one recognizing the danger that he posed.

    Society needs to start identifying these dangerous young men sooner.

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    Two police officers pulled over a man... and when he was out of the car, pulled a gun........ and began to shoot at the officers, only 10 ft away. They ducked and weaved at each other varying from 10 ft to 20 ft... while shooting at each other.

    There were 68 shots fired by the officers alone that were later identified, mostly in the house behind the BG. They did not count how many the BG shot. The exchange ended when the police hit the BG in the leg.

    I think it's a matter of how good of a shot you are . Did the first round stop the threat, or the 85th ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    This occurred to me to be the perfect argument against a new magazine ban.

    This video says 10 rounds fired but then the shooter says, "I had to kill him." So it had to be 10 or 11 at least. But then she immediately responded to another possible threat.

    I'm sure we are all familiar with Jeanne Assam and the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs. This wasn't spray and pray. She had to run down a man who was firing an AK at her.

    http://www.policeone.com/off-duty/ar...unman-and-God/

    http://blutube.policeone.com/Media/6...urch-Shooting/
    Never hear of any. Everything happens sometime so there probably was but then there's meteors too.

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    Who was the handicapped guy that shot someone for beating a cop? I believe there were some lawsuits involved.
    That was the Temple shooting in Baton Rouge. Only 5 shots, total.
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    I don't know of any specific incidents, don't care to throw in any "what if"s, but the simple answer is no one knows how many rounds they will need on any given SD situation, so we should carry whatever amount of ammo we fell comfortable with or think we need.

    For me that's one full mag in whatever I'm carrying. For others it might be 17+1 with 2-3 extra mags. It's an individual choice and no one's business.
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