A couple strange issues at the range today

This is a discussion on A couple strange issues at the range today within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; The last couple of range trips I've started trying to change things up a bit like forcing myself to shoot left handed despite being right ...

Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: A couple strange issues at the range today

  1. #1
    Member Array BigFish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Merrimack, NH
    Posts
    211

    A couple strange issues at the range today

    The last couple of range trips I've started trying to change things up a bit like forcing myself to shoot left handed despite being right handed, etc. That part went well. I found I can shoot pistol/revolver without much accuracy loss, though the mechanical movement I still need to work on to get the draw and reload down. Rifles, not so much. I think I hit the target once at 20 yards after 30 rounds with the 22 and maybe 2 or 3 times with the AK47. But I digress...

    The first issue I ran into is very disconcerting. Since I got my Keltec PF9, I've shot it with a variety of ammo including Winchester PDX1 defensive ammo, without any issues. Satisfied with its performance, I've been walking around with the PF9 loaded with the PDX1 in 7+1. I haven't unloaded it in several weeks, leaving it in the pocket holster sitting in the bedside vault. Decided to shoot it today (right handed only), with the already loaded PDX1 and some Blazer aluminum cased stuff. With the PDX1, I'd take a shot, and the next round would jam. Happened every time. No issues with the Blazer ammo. I'm glad I decided to shoot it today... had I needed it, I'd have been up the creek without a paddle.

    Any idea as to the root cause? I was thinking it might be the fact that I've left it loaded, but I haven't had the same issue with the same brand of ammo when left in my Glock 30 for similar time frames. And since the problem wasn't exhibited with the Blazer ammo which has less kick than the PDX1, I was thinking it could have been my own failure to hold on well enough. I didn't begin shooting the PF9 until after about an hour into my range time and was getting a bit worn out from all the rifle time.


    Second issue, and not really an issue but an odd occurrence, happened while shooting the second magazine of ammo on my AK. I was smelling ammonia pretty heavily. I only noticed the smell when I took a shot. I've never noticed that before, but I haven't had the gun for that long and don't take it to the range every trip. All the ammo I have for it is "Herter's" branded steel case FMJ and some SP which all comes from Tula Cartridge Works. I didn't notice if the second mag had FMJ or SP. I had loaded them up a while ago, and they were sitting in a plastic ammo can with the boxed ammo up until I left for the range. At first I thought maybe one of the cats had peed on the gun or maybe the magazine, but both have been put away between trips to the range and the empty magazine and open action on the rifle don't really give off any ammonia odor. I've been shooting FMJ only up until today, with one of the two 30 rounders loaded with at least 20 SP rounds. Maybe its an odd batch of gun powder in the SP rounds.
    "Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense."
    Ron Paul.

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #2
    Moderator
    Array buckeye .45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    7,672
    Leaving a weapon loaded is not going to cause it to malfunction, so that should not of caused the PF9 to malfunction.

    How many rounds of PDX have you put through it before?
    Fortes Fortuna Juvat

    Former, USMC 0311, OIF/OEF vet
    NRA Pistol/Rifle/Shotgun/Reloading Instructor, RSO, Ohio CHL Instructor

  4. #3
    Member Array alafan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    132
    blazer rounds never worked good in mine. Brass casing works great everytime.

  5. #4
    Moderator
    Array bmcgilvray's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    10,079
    I've not chronographed 9mm Blazer but the small amounts of .38 Special, .357 Magnum, and .45 ACP Blazer I've checked over the chronograph shows lower velocities than other loads with bullets of similar weight. Perhaps 9mm is perceived to have less recoil due to the fact that it is loaded to a slightly lower intensity. Don't take that to the bank by the way.

    I'm unfamiliar with the Winchester PDX1 but it is apparent that it gives your particular PF9 heartburn. The pistol may not care for the shape of the bullet's nose or cartridge length could be a factor. Compare the length of the PDX1 to the length of the Blazer ammo that is working for you. It's a cinch that you need to load with Blazer until you determine the cause.

    I have a brother-in-law who has had a PF9 for some years now and it is a really decent shooting pistol. I've mostly shot it with FMJ or his cast bullet handloads but it always gives good function any time I see it come out to play.

    I wouldn't be concerned with the odor of the 7.62X39 ammo. It is likely just the nature of the beast. Any of the Russian stuff I've fired up has always had some sort of strong odor.

    You might try to obtain some snap caps and practice dry-firing the AK. I'm guessing its trigger is fairly heavy and maybe creepy too. Unless you were shooting at a really tiny target, the rifle ought to easily group well at that distance. Were the sights wildly maladjusted?

    It really sounds more like trigger control to me. Have you tested it from a rest?
    Charter Member of the DC .41 LC Society

    “No possible rapidity of fire can atone for habitual carelessness of aim with the first shot.”

    Theodore Roosevelt, The Wilderness Hunter, 1893

  6. #5
    Member Array BigFish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Merrimack, NH
    Posts
    211
    Probably not as much as I should! I'm fuzzy on how much I shot in which gun, but out of the 4 or 5 boxes of PDX1 in 9MM I've gone through a higher percentage of it has been in the Keltec. I went through quite a bit of PDX1 in 45ACP, so when I started shooting the PF9 and the PDX1 and every other brand of FMJ I tried in it, I figured a few boxes was enough.
    "Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense."
    Ron Paul.

  7. #6
    Member Array Sleipnir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Georgia, USA
    Posts
    429
    Quote Originally Posted by dstringf View Post
    Probably not as much as I should! I'm fuzzy on how much I shot in which gun, but out of the 4 or 5 boxes of PDX1 in 9MM I've gone through a higher percentage of it has been in the Keltec. I went through quite a bit of PDX1 in 45ACP, so when I started shooting the PF9 and the PDX1 and every other brand of FMJ I tried in it, I figured a few boxes was enough.

    Maybe you limp-wristed? The PDX1 is pretty stout stuff.

  8. #7
    RKM
    RKM is offline
    Distinguished Member Array RKM's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    1,825
    If the gun jams with PDX1 but shoots another ammo just fine, look into a new SD ammo. PDX1 works find in my Kahr. Recoil is noticeably harsher using PDX1 than whatever FMJ I bought this week (WWB). But if it doesn't work in your gun look into something else and test it. Did the PDX1 always work before? I'd look into new HP's. Buy a few boxes and run them through until you're confident in them working reliably. My pistols are always loaded. I don't think that's the problem.

    I was on my last box of UMC today. Never had issues with UMC before (only 1 stovepipe and one failure to lock back out of 1500-2000 rounds using UMC), but it was affecting both my Glock and Hk today. I had 4 or 5 separate failures to lock back on both guns, for just one box of 250. Must have been a bad batch or something. UMC is some weak stuff. I've recently switch to PMC Bronze. Have one dud round thus far. It's tough to find reliable cheap ammo that isn't reloads.

  9. #8
    Member Array BigFish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Merrimack, NH
    Posts
    211
    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    You might try to obtain some snap caps and practice dry-firing the AK. I'm guessing its trigger is fairly heavy and maybe creepy too. Unless you were shooting at a really tiny target, the rifle ought to easily group well at that distance. Were the sights wildly maladjusted?

    It really sounds more like trigger control to me. Have you tested it from a rest?
    I had the same result from the Marlin 60 as well, so I'm definitely not blaming the gun on this one :) I'm right handed, and today was the first day I've shot either rifle left handed. Body stance and trigger control was probably the culprit. But in my defense.. it was only a 5 1/2" Shoot N'C target and my eyesight is crap.
    "Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense."
    Ron Paul.

  10. #9
    Member Array BigFish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Merrimack, NH
    Posts
    211
    Quote Originally Posted by Sleipnir View Post
    Maybe you limp-wristed? The PDX1 is pretty stout stuff.
    That's quite possible. As I mentioned before... I had been shooting for a while and had gotten kind of worn out by the point I starting shooting the PF9. There was a noticeable difference between the Blazer and the PDX1 ammo... The PDX1 had been working up until then, but if its so easy to limp wrist a shot with PDX1 I probably need to check out other SD ammo that's maybe not as stiff.
    "Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense."
    Ron Paul.

  11. #10
    Member Array BadgerMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    261
    Don't worry about the ammonia smell, it is pretty common for surplus stuff and new ammo loaded with similar powders. I've noticed it mostly with Eastern European stuff and older NATO ammo. You probably just didn't notice it before because your nose was on the other side of the gun, try shooting some of the russian stuff through a DI AR and you'll really get a good whiff of it.

  12. #11
    Moderator
    Array gasmitty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Gilbert, AZ
    Posts
    10,374
    I agree with BadgerMan - a lot of commie ammo has an odd smell to it, different from US and western European stuff.
    Smitty
    NRA Endowment Member

  13. #12
    VIP Member Array Eagleks's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    7,724
    The KEL-TEC PF9, mine did that... and the mag would literally "drop" after each shot... the mag release wasn't holding. They did have a recall on those and I sent mine in to be done. What I got back, was a whole new gun.... everything on it was replaced except for the barrel and the old serial number was stamped on the new frame. You've got me as to what else they found wrong, as there was no explanation.

    But, like you .... I had never had an issue and had been carrying it, and ..... zing.... all the problems occurred the next time I was out shooting it.
    I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --- Will Rogers ---
    Chief Justice John Roberts : "I don't see how you can read Heller and not take away from it the notion that the Second Amendment...was extremely important to the framers in their view of what liberty meant."

  14. #13
    VIP Member Array chiefjason's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Hickory, NC
    Posts
    2,759
    Maybe try polishing the feed ramp. JHP's sometimes hang up on my P3at. Or did, until I polished it. Now it's just bad for hanging up the first one into the chamber when I slingshot it. Runs fine when firing though.
    I prefer to live dangerously free than safely caged!

    "Our houses are protected by the good Lord and a gun. And you might meet 'em both if you show up here not welcome son." Josh Thompson "Way Out Here"

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Strange incident at stoplight today.
    By JOHNSMITH in forum Carry & Defensive Scenarios
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: November 2nd, 2010, 06:16 AM
  2. Glock 22 Issues at the Range
    By Biomortis in forum Defensive Carry Guns
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: March 6th, 2010, 04:45 PM
  3. Kinda strange event happend today.
    By Dustinmk4 in forum Carry & Defensive Scenarios
    Replies: 37
    Last Post: August 20th, 2009, 04:05 AM
  4. Picked up a couple today...can't believe I did it...
    By imthduke in forum Defensive Carry Guns
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: April 21st, 2009, 11:26 PM
  5. Strange day at the range.
    By maclean3 in forum Defensive Carry Guns
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: November 4th, 2005, 11:51 AM

Search tags for this page

7.62x39 pdx1

,

pdx1 7.62x39

,
pdx1 7.62?39
,
pf9 and pdx1
,
pf9 pdx1
,
winchester 7.62 x 39 pdx1
,
winchester 7.62x39 ammo pdx1
,
winchester pdx 762*39
,

winchester pdx1 7.62x39

,
winchester pdx1 9mm pf9
,
winchester pdx1 pf9
,
winchester pdx1 problems
Click on a term to search for related topics.