"Gun with 3 safeties" blamed for inability to shoot home invader

This is a discussion on "Gun with 3 safeties" blamed for inability to shoot home invader within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Sorry for her loss, but the blame for the gun not working is both hers and her husbands. Her for her hatred of guns, and ...

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 32

Thread: "Gun with 3 safeties" blamed for inability to shoot home invader

  1. #16
    VIP Member
    Array archer51's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    20,520
    Sorry for her loss, but the blame for the gun not working is both hers and her husbands. Her for her hatred of guns, and her husbands for not insisting she at least have enough knowledge of how to use it if needed. Knowledge of the operation would not have changed the outcome for her husband, since he had already been shot before she ever got hold of the gun.
    Freedom doesn't come free. It is bought and paid for by the lives and blood of our men and women in uniform.

    USAF Retired
    NRA Life Member

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #17
    Distinguished Member Array Anubis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Arapahoe County CO
    Posts
    1,790
    Decades ago when I was having difficulty with a pair of 24-inch pipe wrenches, a colleague said "You've gotta be smarter than the equipment you operate!"

  4. #18
    VIP Member Array SIGguy229's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Kommie-fornia-stan
    Posts
    7,000
    I wonder if she even knew it was loaded?? It may have had a mag in it, but there wasn't a round in the chamber?
    Magazine <> clip - know the difference

    martyr is a fancy name for crappy fighter
    You have never lived until you have almost died. For those that have fought for it, life has a special flavor the protected will never know

  5. #19
    jyo
    jyo is offline
    Member Array jyo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    L.A.
    Posts
    313
    This is why my concealed house guns are DA revolvers or DA/SA auto pistols---in the heat of "battle"---in the dark---under bad conditions, I want a pistol that can fire with both right and left hands without messing with safetys---the Kahr type DA only or a DA revolver can be used by both myself or the wife---remember, these are hidden in my house, the bad guys don't know where they are---also my dogs would sound a warning.

  6. #20
    Distinguished Member Array Ghettokracker71's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Under a rock.
    Posts
    1,763
    This is another one of the reasons I don't own any carry weapon with manual safety.

    While one could argure that practice could have saved her husbands life, so could a simpler weapon.

    IE: Revolver or pistol with no safety. (Glock, XD, Keltec, etc)

    And also as aforementioned-IF THERES GUNS IN THE HOUSE, MAKE SURE THOSE WITH ACCESS CAN WORK THEM. When my wife and I were just dating and got pretty serious, right before she moved in. We sat down, and I showed her the location of every firearm. The ammo for each, how to tell/know which ammo for each. And extensively how to work each one.


    "To blame a gun for a mans decision is to foolishly attribute free will to an inanimate object"- Colion Noir.

  7. #21
    Senior Member Array Frogbones's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    967
    Quote Originally Posted by sgb View Post
    She's a victim of the "No one needs a gun" until they need a gun mentality. Her inability to manipulate the firearm properly is her fault and her fault only.
    Exactly.

  8. #22
    VIP Member Array dukalmighty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    15,095
    Even if she could have got the gun to fire does not mean she could have hit anybody she was shooting at,I have seen people miss an entire silhouette target within 10 feet under conditions that aren't stressful and traumatic
    "Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
    --Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .

  9. #23
    Member Array jackson85746's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    AZ
    Posts
    252
    Alot to be said for DA wheel guns. The wife's SP101 would have gotten the job done.
    Don't tread on me or mine.
    I am comfortable laying on a rock in the sun; bothering no one. If you choose to ignore the above statement, you will wish all you had to do, is deal with a snake.

  10. #24
    Member Array babyhulk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    ohio
    Posts
    189
    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    While I am sorry for her loss and her inability to achieve a reckoning, her hatred of guns very possibly caused her unfamilairity and inability to operate the weapon.
    Unless some other facts come to light, its very simple, operator error.
    +1 I grieve for the family and their loss, but I concur, her hatred of guns probably meant that she didn't know how to handle and shoot it.
    Babyhulk
    NRA Life Member since 2010

  11. #25
    Senior Member Array digitalexplr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Jefferson City, MO
    Posts
    914
    A sad outcome to be sure.

    Make sure anyone who is to be your backup knows how to use any weapon they may have to grab.
    NRA Life Member

  12. #26
    VIP Member Array SIGguy229's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Kommie-fornia-stan
    Posts
    7,000
    According to the Virginia Citizens' Defense League President, Philip Van Cleave, the gun was a 1911-style gun...but it wasn't the safeties that were the problem (typical news reporters ignorance)...the gun was out of battery after the BG got his hand on it....

    Eagleks wins....(from 14 Feb)
    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    They struggled for the gun, the BG may have pushed the slide back just enough it wouldn't shoot when he got a hand on it. A manaul safety or decocker would be my other guess.
    Magazine <> clip - know the difference

    martyr is a fancy name for crappy fighter
    You have never lived until you have almost died. For those that have fought for it, life has a special flavor the protected will never know

  13. #27
    Senior Member Array Chad Rogers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Metro DC
    Posts
    958
    I recently bought a nice used model 60 for the overall home defense system for just this reason. When it comes to those with minimal gun skills training, a point and shoot revolver is hard to beat.

  14. #28
    Member
    Array Paladin3840's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    NW Florida
    Posts
    363

    Additional lessons?

    Open the door to check out an unknown party?

    Leaving the gun stashed beside his chair?

    Not wearing the gun?

    How many of us have, at some time, done the same?

    Do we tend to focus too much on hardware and too little on software?

    Live and learn; learn and live.

  15. #29
    Senior Member Array ntkb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Detroit Michigan
    Posts
    605
    An unreasonable fear of firearms is what got her killed.

  16. #30
    Senior Member Array GlockJS's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Miami, FL
    Posts
    801
    A lot of things went wrong.

    He didn't bring the gun with him. He didn't train the adults in his home. She didn't know how to operate the gun. She gave up.

    I feel sorry for the family.

    I feel sorry for the next family it happens to cause no matter how many of these stories come around, the haters of guns will still be haters of guns and won't touch one until there life is in jeapordy and need a gun.
    Glock 26 9mm, Ruger LCR .357mag

    "Protect yourself at all times."

    "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way."-Clint Smith

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Interesting in-home SD 12 ga "shoot-out" on TV
    By flaboatbum in forum Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: February 12th, 2009, 11:33 PM
  2. Replies: 49
    Last Post: October 15th, 2008, 10:45 AM
  3. Columbus Police Shoot Suspect Wielding an "Assault Rifle"
    By buckeye .45 in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: January 4th, 2007, 09:43 PM
  4. Castle Doctorine & Deadly Force or "Please Don't Shoot Me On Duty!"
    By Mark Garrity in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 73
    Last Post: August 9th, 2006, 07:53 AM
  5. "Good shoot" in Jacksonville, FL Store owner case
    By profshadow in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: June 28th, 2006, 02:21 PM

Search tags for this page

3 gun safeties
,
3 safeties on guns
,
gun 3 safeties
,
gun three safeties
,

gun with 3 safeties

,

guns with 3 safeties

,
guns with three safeties
,
guns with three safties
,
handgun with 3 external safeties
,
handgun with three safeties
,
handguns with three safeties
,
pistols with three safeties
Click on a term to search for related topics.