This is a discussion on Wanna Buy a Gun - On the Terrorist Watch List - NO PROBLEMO within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by MitchellCT If the government wants to stop people from availing themselves of a right, they can do so easily. File criminal charges, ...
If you want to deny me my second amendment rights, charge me with a crime, put me in court, and try me with a fair trial... and convict me. Do not steal my rights without due process of law.
This is America - not China. Or? Seems it's getting more difficult to tell the difference.
lord hamster said:
"If the same idiots are running this list, I wouldn't worry too much about those folks who "slipped by".
Good point. Given the make-up and suspicious backgrounds of these people who likely made up the list, many of the folks flagged as "terrorists" might be patriotic Americans who go to church and believe in The Bill of Rights. Seriously. After all, isn't this the same government that doesn't seem very serious about securing the border or calling the threats to this nation by their rightful names?
The first rule of self-defense is to avoid the situation. The second rule is Train and Prepare.
Me thinks a firearm is not the weapon we need to worry about the terrorist obtaining, and probably just as important, keeping them out of the country in the first place.
Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.
The Patriot Act, No Fly list, and the Terrorist Watch list.
More AMERICAN CITIZENS have been prosecuted, persecuted, and rights revoked under these than all other nationalities combined.
Huston...we have a problem.
The only difference here between Germany in the 1930's and us in the here and now is that there is no racial or religious flavor to it [yet].
Methinks there are too many three letter Govt. agencies with too much power and no oversight to keep them in check. We are starting to get our own versions of the KGB and Gestapo running amok inside our own borders.
Hit my limit for speculation, the sky is falling, and gun owners fighting amongst themselves.
UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL!
"Rock and load, lock and roll... what's it matter? FIRE!!"
"Gun control means hitting your target every time."
Please take everything I say with at least one grain of salt- I am a very sarcastic person with a very dry sense of humor.
I have yet to see any convictions reported based on the fact the BG bought a gun, was on a watch list, and LE tracked him and his buddies and found them doing bad things.
Lautenberg is a fool...and deserves to be on a watch list...
Magazine <> clip - know the difference
martyr is a fancy name for crappy fighter
You have never lived until you have almost died. For those that have fought for it, life has a special flavor the protected will never know
I think these politicians like Lautenberg say things like this, so when it comes time for re-election, he can say he's tough on terrorism.
Don't believe what you hear and only half of what you see!
No clue what that was all about. I have the most German sounding name in the world... very very common as well. Funny thing is while I was delayed from boarding a plane every single friggin' time, my gun buying checks and CCW permit all went through without a hitch.
Since about 2009, I've had no more problems. Logged over 200,000miles since then.
+1From the article "The watch list is secret and generated at the government's discretion. It is not a list of people convicted of terrorism crimes."
Orwell, 1984, Animal Farm - what other cliches come to mind???
This idiotic "terrorist watch list" is the kind of stuff that US politicians accuse dictators of doing.
Being put on a government watchlist is easy; just register and post on any internet forum where terms like "Second Amendment", "semiauto rifles", or "tight groups" are thrown around.
"One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence." --American historian Charles A. Beard (1874-1948)
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