Tool not needed for full length guide rod

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    Tool not needed for full length guide rod

    Just a little tip in case it hasnt been discussed.

    For those that have a 1911 with a FLGR and dislike the need for the Allen wrench to remove it and field strip, truth is, you don't need the wrench.

    Lock the slide back, and simply unscrew it by hand enough to get it started and it's done. No tool needed
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    No tools needed for my Rock Island full size. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadguy View Post
    Just a little tip in case it hasnt been discussed.

    For those that have a 1911 with a FLGR and dislike the need for the Allen wrench to remove it and field strip, truth is, you don't need the wrench.

    Lock the slide back, and simply unscrew it by hand enough to get it started and it's done. No tool needed
    If it's loose enough to undo by hand, it's loose enough to come off on it's own and fly down range. Ditch the two piece rods, if you must have a FLGR get a one piece of the proper length.

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    Do not understand the FLGR in the first place. Don't have one, never will, but thanks for the tip, I might have to take down someone else's 1911.

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    Even at its tightest I can unscrew it by hand with the slide locked back, and then retighten it by hand. With the number of turns it takes to tighten it down I don't see how it could fly out during a range session, especially since no part of the slide's action would cause the rod to twist.

    Removing the FLGR turns a 5" 1911 into a mil-spec design, except for the open end which would collect powder residue and lent. I'm not saying it should be carried that way but simply pointing it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadguy View Post
    Even at its tightest I can unscrew it by hand with the slide locked back, and then retighten it by hand. With the number of turns it takes to tighten it down I don't see how it could fly out during a range session, especially since no part of the slide's action would cause the rod to twist.

    Removing the FLGR turns a 5" 1911 into a mil-spec design, except for the open end which would collect powder residue and lent. I'm not saying it should be carried that way but simply pointing it out
    There are full length, one piece rods that use the same plug, if you switch to a GI guide, you should replace the plug as well.

    I've seen more than a few forward sections of 2 piece rods go down range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadguy View Post
    Even at its tightest I can unscrew it by hand with the slide locked back, and then retighten it by hand. With the number of turns it takes to tighten it down I don't see how it could fly out during a range session, especially since no part of the slide's action would cause the rod to twist.
    Not so fast... look at how a colonial "whimdiddle" toy works. You don't need direct torsional force on that guide rod to make it unscrew. And like JD, I have seen a part of a 2-piece guide go sailing down range.

    The first thing I did to my Springer TRP was to dump the FLGR in favor of $18 worth of basic 1911 parts from Brownells. My primary concern was disassembly in the field without special tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    Not so fast... look at how a colonial "whimdiddle" toy works. You don't need direct torsional force on that guide rod to make it unscrew. And like JD, I have seen a part of a 2-piece guide go sailing down range.

    The first thing I did to my Springer TRP was to dump the FLGR in favor of $18 worth of basic 1911 parts from Brownells. My primary concern was disassembly in the field without special tools.
    Thank you guys for clearing this up. I thought I had stumbled upon something wonderful!!

    I guess if push came to shove in a real situation where I had a malfunction and had to disassemble it could work, but I guess in a controlled environment it needs to be tightened down hard.
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    There is something to be said for simplicity, as in the original design. I ain't no 1911 expert, but I never could figure out what a flgr was supposed to accomplish.
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    Better yet, toss the FLGR and install a GM plug and spring guide, problem solved.
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    This is only one view but full-length guide rod not needed for 1911 pistols.
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