How many have lied about performance?

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    How many have lied about performance?

    We all read how so and so gun performed perfectly right out of the box at the first range session. Then we read that 10,000 rounds later it is still malfunction free. How much of it is true? Dont we all want our fellow forum members to think we have the perfect gun and it could could do no wrong?

    I've even said it before. Even though there was that one time in the first 100 rounds that it didnt feed correctly or eject correctly. Just blew it off as a break in issue and acted like it never happened when giving the review.

    I realize there are true break in issues but sometimes it really is a malfunction.

    Anyone else want to admit to it?????
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    When I read it on the internet I consider the source, how much I trust it and how well I may know the source beyond the scope of the internet. That said there are some that I know personally, hold a respected position, have made a long standing reputation on their honesty and have reported such success, and I can compare those cases with what I read and make a logical summation on the accuracy of a statement.

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    Yes I am guilty.My Gen 4 26.Round no.80(?)FTF but it was in a $20. 33rnd magazine with mixed ammo.I 'm pretty sure it was because of the Blazer aluminum case against a brass JHP and or the magazine.But it was only once and I've put over 1000 assorted, mostly cheap(200 were Tullammo) without a hiccup so I didn't feel it necessary to include.

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    Trust but verify...which is impossible.

    There is a lot of exaggeration on the internet.

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    Since this past November:

    I've lost track of how many times my main class/range gun had an ammo-related malfunction (FTF/FTE).......

    Mainly because I've done so many "blind" failure drills with them, that I honestly don't know.

    What I do know is that over 10K rounds on this specific pistol, I've had perhaps a 0.04% FTFire rate with Winchester "White Box" 115 gr. "Value Box" 9x19, and that I've had one double-feed that was certainly "real" and not intentionally set up (although, to be fair, it was on an evening where there was driving rain, and the magazine that I was using had been dropped into the mud repeatedly). There's at least one member of our Forum community here on DC who can verify that I'm not lying about my round-count: he's seen me shoot.

    With my true-EDC, she's seen somewhere between 2000 and 3000 rounds, now. Her sole FTE was a classic stove-pipe: possibly caused in-part by my limp-wristing, as I had been shooting with my weak/reaction hand, which was still suffering from an injury on that particular day.

    Neither pistol have ever seen a failure with premium defensive ammo. The range gun has probably seen about 1K's worth of ammo that fits that category. The EDC about 700 rounds or so.

    That's truly being honest.

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    No performance issues here, after many years all my equipment works as it is supposed to.


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    Whew, I am glad this was gun related.

    Yes, I've had issues with my Gen4 Glock 19, but I figured out the reason ... And no, it wasn't Viagra.
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    I've owned several Glocks over the years and only had one issue; and come to find out it was a magazine issue. I believe most feeding issues can be traced to a magazine.

    I cannot see the point in not being truthful about something like this. I would rather take my " told you so " licks and learn something than be untruthful and be a dummy.

    Also many gun malfunctions can be caused by " greenhorn" or "nimrod" error, and not the gun itself.
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    I've not had any problems with my guns that I wasn't the cause of. After a couple of hundred rounds through one of the .380's, if I don't watch myself, I'll limp wrist them and they won't work properly. But that's my fault, not the gun's, and when it happens I just pack them away for the day.

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    I'm honest about my guns. After all, I want to truly scrutinize whether they are working properly or not before I carry them and I think if I'm doing a review on the gun I should certainly let other people know if there are issues as well.

    That being said I have had ONE failure with my Wilson Combat. It was a failure to Eject. It was nasty. Had to dig fingernail in there and really pry the spent casing out of the chamber. Shot the rest of the night with no problems. Got home, checked the extractor.. perfectly fine. I have NO idea what that was about.. that was three years ago. Hasn't happened since.

    That being said, my Glock 19 Gen 4 was a nightmare when I first got it. Magazine after magazine of failures to eject, feed, double-feeds. It was awful. For weeks I tried everything from evaluating myself to different ammo to changing mags.

    Put a new recoil spring in it and.. whella.. not a single failure since. Runs flawlessly.

    Had a Kimber once that EVERY SINGLE ROUND was a failure of some sorts. I was so frustrated with that gun I seriously wanted to throw it across the range and never see it again. Ended up getting rid of it altogether and am not sorry to see it go.

    I could go on and on..

    Bottom line is that I have seen EVERY manufacturer and every model of manufacturer fail out there. When people claim to have put 20,000 rounds through their gun without a SINGLE failure I have a sneaky suspicion there was one of two or ten they just don't remember. They clear them and go on and it is a non-issue but in their mind everything was smooth as silk.

    Machines are machines.. they fail, they wear out.

    That being said there are machines I trust more than others and I am confident in the guns I carry but if/when they have their hiccups I won't condemn them to the junk pile for something small until it consistently becomes a problem.

    I'd say if I took my Glock to the range and within 100 rounds it gave me even 2 or 3 trouble rounds I'd start to wonder if we are looking at a problem.

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    When I get a failure to fire or failure to feed I look at the root problem,If it's not gun related It's not a big deal,I reload and before I started checking every primer,I use to just dump em in a baggy,I would have a few FT Fire,I started noticeing that sometimes the old primer would stick on the depriming pin and get reseated causing a reloaded round with a dead primer,I do have my first carry 1911 with a failure to feed issue on the second round in the mag,I'm pretty sure it's the recoil spring since it hasn't been replaced in 5 years and thousands of rounds
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    Also I've noticed in years on forums the difference in an experienced shooters reviews and greenies. The experienced, like many here, will find the problem and try to duplicate it before calling it what it is. The greenie may just call it a hiccup. It happened for a reason. Find out why, especially if you carry it.

    Of course, as noted, you can say whatever you want on the internets. No one knows the truth but the poster. Selling a firearm is where that is a problem. "200,000 hiccup free rounds in this High Point. Totally reliable and easily concealed.". Pfffffffft. But there's a sucker born every second that won't do their DD.
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    The revolvers have never had issues, but the SR9c did hiccup once when I tried the +P Corbon for the first time after about 500 standard target rounds. Fine after that. The lesson there is to test your carry ammo.

    No matter how reliable your gun is, you're still dependent on the quality of your ammo. There can always be a bad round in the stack so your ability to deal with a misfire is important. That's why revolvers always have a good case in this calculus.
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    We all have FTF/FTE incidents at some time. I find that in my semi-auto pistols it comes down to the quality of ammo most of the time, or in the case of my MK III, if I didn't go over it and clean it pre-range trip after a couple of months then it will jam after 150-200 rounds. Happens every other spring to me after sitting in the case over cold winter/spring months up here in the northwoods.

    My RIA has had one FTE once, and that was with a new clip that was bent slightly causing it to jam. A pair of pliers and a small tweak, and no more issues with it.

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