At the range: "Can I see your gun?"
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Some young buck comes in with his attractive date, and his biggest, baddest magnum beast. He's ...
August 6th, 2011 03:18 AM
Here's how gun sharing works on a good day...
Some young buck comes in with his attractive date, and his biggest, baddest magnum beast. He's gonna teach her how to shoot. C'mon, I know you have all seen this! A few rounds later, she has had enough!
Now it's time to make introductions and uncase my heavy-barrelled Ruger MkII and a brick of .22LR. He stays in his lane, looking cool and making lots of noise. I spend the afternoon with his girl-friend!!!
August 6th, 2011 07:52 AM
When I belonged to a private gun club it was very common to walk the line and check out each others guns and to test them out. Nowadays I shoot at a public indoor range and very seldom do the other shooters even have a conversation. However if someones interested, polite and friendly I'm more than happy to let them try out my guns. Going to the range and meeting other shooters is part of the experience.
August 6th, 2011 08:59 AM
The outdoor range I shoot at is semi-private and well managed, so anybody there will probably be an enthusiast. Members fall into recognizable categories:
1. Attractive gal with a bag full of high-power handguns
2. Father and son
3. Pals out for some shooting
4. Suburban guy getting time in
5. Two ex-military types with their XDs and Glocks
6. Group of kids with more tattoos than guns
7. Married couple sending a few boxes downrange
And various permutations thereof. During breaks in shooting, I might exchange a pleasantry with a fellow shooter. If he or she is shooting something interesting or a gun I'm interested in, we might talk about it. And vice versa. Seems like the standard rule is for the owner to ask, "would you like to try it?" But nobody ever asks to try a firearm uninvited.
I don't go to the range to socialize - I go there to shoot. But I'm not averse to making friends. If I'm comfortable with a fellow shooter and can tell they want to try something I have on the table, it's helpful for me to see how the gun handles from an observed perspective. I can see the muzzle flip, watch the ejection path, and gauge the report. It's a learning opportunity.
"It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."
August 6th, 2011 08:59 PM
I wanna come to your range to meet number 1
Originally Posted by shockwave
"The value you put on the lost will be determined by the sacrifice you are willing to make to seek them until they are found."
August 6th, 2011 09:53 PM
I wear baseball and basketball jerseys sometimes so no one can just judge someone's competency by looking at their clothes alone. What really matters is how professional are their behavior at the range and their safe, professional gun handling. If anyone is shooting gangsta style, that is not a sign of a pro.
Originally Posted by Justified
As for me, I prefer the outdoor range which has more mature shooters there and also allowed the leeway to practice combat shooting and rapid firing. However, I will go to the indoor range only for practicing one handed shooting w/ my semiautomatic pistols.
August 6th, 2011 10:02 PM
Originally Posted by BadgerJ
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August 6th, 2011 10:38 PM
You have your reasons. It's your gun. In CA, it is against the law for me to loan someone my favorite guns because without a mag safety they are not safe according to the gun grabbers at our DOJ and their infamous ‘safe gun list’.
Originally Posted by BadgerJ
As it stands, at a CA firing range, I can't legally give to, lend to, or let a friend shoot my S&W M&P without a mag safety or any other safety because California has deemed the pistol, "unsafe" in "Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale" law,
PC 12125. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends any unsafe handgun
shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.
So, if you felt bad about it, just say it's unsafe and against the law with the mental reservation that you're talking about Austrailian or British or maybe Californian law. If they press it, just say that you are liable and that your insurance is too expensive, already. Or ask them to cite the four rules of gun safety as a personal requirement before giving your gun to anyone, cleared, of course. If they can cite the rules and take the cleared gun, then it's probably cool anyway, right?
the Cal Penal Code 12126(c), (d) says:
has no safeties to prevent accidental firing... and magazine disconnect mechanism - that prevents a semiautomatic pistol that has a detachable magazine from operating to strike the primer of ammunition in the firing chamber when a detachable magazine is not inserted in the pistol".
Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
August 6th, 2011 11:08 PM
I understand people looking to buy a particular gun and not being able to find one to rent anywhere. For me, living in a rural area, there are no indoor ranges with rentals without driving 65+ miles. So I try to be friendly in people who may be curious about a particular gun I have.
However, I pretty much size them up on a case by case basis. Like SIXTO said, no knuckle dragging, mouth breathers just wanting to waste my time. They pretty much have to pass the triple digit IQ test, so it entails a little bit of conversation before handing over one of my guns at the range. To allow them to shoot it, requires more conversation and careful observation of how they handle their own weapons.
Also, I always unload and always pass the gun with an open action or open cylinder. Just the proper gun etiquette I was raised with.
Finally, I'll never hand a stranger one of my guns unless I am fully armed myself. I'm not always concealed when I'm at the range, but I always will have a loaded and holstered defensive arm worn on my body.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
August 7th, 2011 01:34 AM
I normally shoot some oddball firearms that tend to attract attention when I am shooting so I am used to folks asking me about them.
August 7th, 2011 09:24 AM
Personally I enjoy "show and tell" at the range. As often as not, I'm the one initiating a conversation, and if it leads to an exchange of guns to test, fondle or fire, I see that as friendly, not suspicious. I can't recall ever being rebuffed by someone. The range crowd is usually especially friendly and sharing. My style may not suit everyone though.
August 7th, 2011 11:00 AM
at my club we let people shoot our guns they are members, I have vo problem with them then I shoot theirs.
August 7th, 2011 06:59 PM
August 12th, 2011 12:14 PM
The older I get, the less trusting I am. If someone I've never seen before gets within 21 feet of me with the intent of getting even closer, I go to defcon 1.
Not sure I would have let him see what I was carrying either. It just depends on the vibes, man.
August 12th, 2011 12:52 PM
This is kinda funny to me. For those who say that folks that don't like to be all chummy with someone who comes up to you at the range are rude or what ever....
Let's try to keep it in perspective. The OP stated
That's a huge step from the, indoor range where there are video cameras and other shooters around practicing their skills. IMO, the shooting line just isn't the best of places to go swapping handguns around just for the sake of checking someone's choice out. I mean heck, most any INDOOR range I've ever visited usually has a nice selection of handguns to browse and print up and evaluate. I totally agree with making sure the firearm is secure and all, but in my twenty plus years of range time, I have never had anyone come over to me and ask if they could shoot or handle whatever I brought to the line that day. That's not to say that I would or I wouldn't, but if something like what the OP described happened to me, I'd tell the fella "Sorry my friend, but I don't feel good about that". If that sounds cold oh well. I'd rather hurt some poor guys feelings as apposed to (some kind of disaster like some guy who's down on his luck and wants to end it all, but has no way to buy a firearm and comes up with a plan, so he asked some unsuspecting friendly fellow at an OUTDOOR gun range to check out what he's shooting; BOOM!).
Had a person come up to us at the range and initiate small talk, asked what guns we had. I didn't want to discuss what I'm carrying with a complete stranger, but he persisted
. Then he comes up next to me, it's an outdoor range and nobody else there
, and says 'Can I see it'.
I guess I could feel comfortable with it if the guy had a range bag and firearms of his own and really was a fellow gun enthusiast, but to be there empty handed; No, IMO that's just got a funny smell to it altogether.
I liken it to the news reports where the mother took her son to the range and ended up shooting him along with herself for whatever reason, as well as a couple of other similar shooting line nightmares that I remember reading about.
Just my thoughts on this Friday with four hours to go before I hit the Alpharetta autobahn and head North..
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." — Thomas Jefferson
August 12th, 2011 03:47 PM
Same here, although I haven't shot anyone else's. People have asked about a gun I was shooting, and some asked to "feel" it and check it out. No problem so far. Afterall, I had already noticed what guns they had and how they were handling them..... and there are some that if they asked I would say no, because their gun handling was questionable. I've let people shoot some, etc. and have never had an issue. I've found that people generally be much more careful when it's your gun, trying to make sure they don't harm it.
Originally Posted by adric22
So, I guess it would depend upon your assessment of the person, etc.... and some places are more friendly than others.
As far as "surprise" , it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone asked to see my gun. It's rather common to get in discussions about other guns, and checking out other guns with people.
Afterall, it is a gun range. Even at gun ranges, I have a CC gun on, even though I'm shooting another gun.
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Chief Justice John Roberts : "I don't see how you can read Heller and not take away from it the notion that the Second Amendment...was extremely important to the framers in their view of what liberty meant."
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