21 Feet: You should watch this.

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    21 Feet: You should watch this.



    Very interesting. I think this makes a strong case for shorter profiled carry guns and pocket carry where your hand is already on your weapon.

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    It is called the Tueller Rule/Drill.

    It makes a strong case for being able to move off the "X" while drawing and engaging your target.
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    ^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^

    While the intent of the video is good, I disagree with his figures.
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    During Force on Force training it usually took the aggressor about 2.5 to 3 seconds to cover that distance from a standing start at a dead run.

    Most of our officers who took training seriously could draw from the Level III duty holster and put multiple rounds on target in 1.5 to 2 seconds. (simmunitions)

    We taught getting off the "X" when doing these drills.

    A good time for drawing from concealment and putting multiple rounds on target is right around 2 seconds.

    Getting an airsoft and a friend to practice with can help to hone your skills.

    Distance allows time. Time allows options.

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    Well put.
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    In my extended training we were taught to move and shoot, maintain distance, that they only stand still and survive in the movies.
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    One of the few types of situations where movement, even without an edge to facilitate it, is extremely beneficial.
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    Bottom line is, if someone is trying to kill you, and you are standing still, your are probably going to die.
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    Very amaturish video! I stopped watching after 4 minutes, with 5 to go! Just about fell asleep because of his slow talk and hesitation. I always heard it was 1.5 seconds to cover 21 feet rather than 1 second, anyway. The local police officer, who is on the SWAT team, and also runs the range and is one of the firearms instructors for the city force said the officers have to be able to draw and fire two well placed shots within 1.5 seconds to qualify.
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    All I hear is BLAH,BLAH,BLAH!Stay on the "X" you deserve what you get,JUST SAYING!

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    Some people just Regurgitate what they here without research or genuine training...

    Old school hit the nail on the head..
    Don"t let stupid be your skill set....

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    Personally, I think that Tueller's idea was brilliant. It put forth in an acceptable context, a way to reintroduce the idea that if you want to be prepared you better be able to draw fast and shoot fast.
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