Dealer has my Suppressor from the "Hotguns"group buy

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    Angry Dealer has my Suppressor from the "Hotguns"group buy

    I went by to fill out the paperwork on my suppressor at the class 3 dealer,he asked if I was gonna put it on a "trust",I said no I'm gonna put it in my name,he said where you live,I said Edinburg,he said you won't get the Chief to sign off on it.I said the Sheriff can sign it right,he said yea,I said how much is a trust he said around $300 in lawyer fees.
    So first thing in the morning I gotta call in some favors,since I have made friends with a lot of people over time,I will either get a friend to vouch for me and get the Sheriff to sign it,or a lawyer I know may give me a freebie or a discount on the "trust" fees.If it's this hard to buy a suppressor, it's gonna be almost impossible to buy a cruise missile
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    LOL I have looked at both ways and both have their ups and downs.

    Yep some Chiefs and Sherriff's simply won't sign off and can't change their mind about it. The trust, even though it costs money, to me is the easiest way to go.

    I have purposely not purchased suppressors, SBR's, or full auto simply because I don't want to deal with the registration hassle however establishing a trust you dont own the object the trust does so makes it a little easier.
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    I have also heard that by putting it in a trust, you can pass it on to your relatives as the trust goes on, when you don't.

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    I imagine you could buy a cruise missile with less hassle. Look at all the guns, gun accessories, and various other weapons that are bought and sold on the black market every day.

    It's amazing that people's irrational actions based upon fear only cause the law abiding citizens to have problems getting many items. Sad to be more specific. I wish we, or those before us, would have crushed the stupidity of many of the laws that are out there before they got passed.

    Suppressors are like people's visions of the Wild West. Neither one lives/lived up to the movie hype, yet that falsehood lives on.

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    I'm in the process of going the Trust route right now. I haven't approached him but I think I can get a CLEO sign-off, BUT I like the Trust idea better. IMHO it is quite a bit "more private" than other methods.
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    Actually the cruise missile will be easier to get. Just hunt down an ATF agent, and tell him your there to pick up the Fast and Furious shipment!
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    Just tell him that Eric Holder asked you to take it to Mexico for him. That should clear it all up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFury View Post
    It's amazing that people's irrational actions based upon fear only cause the law abiding citizens to have problems getting many items. Sad to be more specific. I wish we, or those before us, would have crushed the stupidity of many of the laws that are out there before they got passed.
    I firmly believe that the 2nd amendment was the founding fathers way of putting a reset switch into the system. At the time of the founding, the citizens had access to weapons that were state of the art. While I am sure they knew that weapon technology would change, I doubt that they could have envisioned where it is today. Restrictions, however, largely serve to keep establishment in power by limiting the power available to the people. For this reason alone, these laws should have been sunk. Then again, we have reach a point in history where the law makers are no longer concerned with the will of the people. When the day arrives that revolution does come to the USA, this pretty much guarantees that it will be, at least initially, fought with guerrilla tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I went by to fill out the paperwork on my suppressor at the class 3 dealer,he asked if I was gonna put it on a "trust",I said no I'm gonna put it in my name,he said where you live,I said Edinburg,he said you won't get the Chief to sign off on it.I said the Sheriff can sign it right,he said yea,I said how much is a trust he said around $300 in lawyer fees.
    So first thing in the morning I gotta call in some favors,since I have made friends with a lot of people over time,I will either get a friend to vouch for me and get the Sheriff to sign it,or a lawyer I know may give me a freebie or a discount on the "trust" fees.If it's this hard to buy a suppressor, it's gonna be almost impossible to buy a cruise missile
    I have been talking to someone in my State about purchasing a silencer also. When I asked him about the trust costs he said that many of his customers set up their own trusts using Quicken Willmaker software. Has anyone here used that program and done it themselves?

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    nope, not me, But, because you can now legally (under WAshington State law) own a suppressor....try a post to/or search... Seattleguns.net...lots of men doing the trust thing here....just sayn

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    Suppressors . . . phooey! I like my guns to go BANG!
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    There are different kinds of trusts. The common ones are Living Revocable Trusts and Irrevocable Trusts. I have no idea if either is appropriate for your needs, nor do I know the requirements BATF has.

    In Texas there is statutory language for the latter, an irrevocable trust, and you can just print it off the net. I don't know if that would do the job for getting what you want. I also don't know if there is statutory language here for a revocable trust.

    If you can use an irrevocable trust, you don't need to spend a dime on a lawyer for creating it.

    HOWEVER-- while both types of trusts are very useful for all sorts of things they have lots of potential pitfalls.

    You need to talk to a lawyer about the implications of creating a trust -- as they go to estate planning and to IRS issues too.

    Its easy to make a huge mess that will bite you or your children down the road. Be careful.

    I once got tangled up in a mess due to a trust and it cost me 25K in legal fees.
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    I have read of folks doing their own trusts but I just paid a lawyer $250.00 for a NFA Trust. It is very similar in construct as my revocable living trust but it has a 2A lawyer's phone number with it. It also helps if you want to have co-trustees where you may want to have a sibling or son/daughter to have legal access the NFA item without your being present.
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    I'm glad to hear that your dealer got the package.

    If you have an NFA hostile Sheriff or Police Chief, the trust is the easiest way to go. It eliminates putting up with anti-gun,anti-freedom mental midgets, but you also don't have to provide photos or prints. In fact, just the other day, I heard of a Form 4 that was blank on the back side getting approved by the ATF.

    It also has the advantage of legally allowing your family members or anyone noted on the trust the ability to shoot or possess your stuff. If one of your kids wants to go shoot your suppressed rifle out on the back 40, he can do it without any hassles or worries.

    Since no one stops at just one can, once you are set up as a Trust, it'll be a lot easier in the future to buy not only suppressors, but SBS's, SBR's or even AOW's.

    There aren't really any disadvantages of going the trust route other than the initial lawyer fee, but from what I have seen it is well worth it.
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