This is a discussion on Horseplay-Did I overreact? within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by 357and40 I would recommend a firearms safety class to them & let them know that once they have completed it you would ...
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You did not overreact. Unfortunately, they are neighbors, but I disagree with the "friendly neighbor approach" regarding education, etc.
The son is 20 years old and points guns at people. Father waives a gun around and it's ok because it's "not loaded." Think on that awhile. They are very dangerous and irresponsible people, and education isn't going to help. It's not a knowledge problem, it's a moral/mental health problem, IMHO.
Be nice, polite and "neighbourly" but stay the hell away from them as much as you can. Another poster said that something like there's "something not tightened down in that family." Well put.
Well, what can I say? I think I've mentioned this before, but I hang around a variety of friends and acquaintances who have guns and most of them even have CHLs. My experience is that most of them are considerably more reckless with their firearms than I am. Whenever they are clowning around, I just make it known that I don't find it acceptable, even if it makes me a spoil sport. Now, when i say clowning around, none of my friends would ever do anything as ridiculous as what was described here (pointing a real firearm at somebody's head as a joke) they still do things not so safe. However, in my opinion it is better to try to be a good example than it is to disown them because of it. The same may be true with your neighbor. If you never speak to him again, how will you have an opportunity to help him better understand gun safety?
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I do not think you over reacted. it is difficult sometimes when those around you, be it neighbors or family, that have grown up with firearms and have not taken the proper training or any formal training "flag" you with their muzzle. These are bad habits that wont go away with just one warning, I am not saying be a babysitter but your safety could be at risk. he may say the chamber is empty...but how do you know? the rule in Afghanistan was, on the FOB chamber is empty but I know of several who kept their weapon "hot" Basically if they are not safe and putting you in danger too then you should say somthing.
Until that neighbor's son start maturing and stop his shenanigans that might end up costing his life someday, I would avoid that neighbor at all costs. Personally, I have no tolerance for that kind of behavior from anyone and he/she would end up being put on the deck like an assailant.
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Nothing in the OP sounds remotely similar to horseplay. Were it me in that position I would try to have a friendly conversation across the fence about firearms safety and potential tragedy. Like someone had mentioned earlier, the number of people shot with unloaded guns is way too high for my comfort level.
As to whether or not your neighbor is humble enough or wise enough to follow advice that he desperately needs but undoubtedly is unaware of and certainly not asking for is another issue.
Your diplomatic skills may be much better than mine.
FWIW as a good neighbor I would say a short conversation at the very least would be in order. Maybe lay out how high the stakes are in this situation and how ingrained firearm safety is in your psyche. I have zero tolerance for such dangerous behavior either.
Absolutely appropriate. +1
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Horseplay with firearms should never be tolerated or done ! That guy is an accident waiting to happen, I don't care if he's been shooting for 50 years, he should know better ! He broke one of the main gun rules, "Never point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot!" Then he's got his kid playing with real guns ! I hope to God it was a toy but even as a kid my dad would tell me don't point a gun at anyone ! Rules were installed at the early age of 5 with toy guns and so when I went to the real ones when I was 21 I already knew better. Common sense ! People like that make all gun owners/enthusiasts look bad.
No, you did not over react. This guy & his son would make perfect EX- FRIENDS !