Was this accidental or negligent?

Was this accidental or negligent?

This is a discussion on Was this accidental or negligent? within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; I "like" this reporter's title to the story..."gun goes off"...yeah, right. 19-Year-Old Badly Injured after Gun Goes Off at Commerce Township Party...

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    Was this accidental or negligent?

    I "like" this reporter's title to the story..."gun goes off"...yeah, right.

    19-Year-Old Badly Injured after Gun Goes Off at Commerce Township Party
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    What's the difference? They were plain stupid
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    From the looks of things this could be both accidential and negligent. The one guy was "passing" the firearm to him and it just "went off."

    No. Firearms just don't go off unless mechanically they are defective. Someone had to have a finger on the trigger, hence negligent. Accidental by placing the firearm into that situation.
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    I don't believe in accidental discharge. If the 4 laws are being followed, no one gets shot "accidentally." There was negligence here, or nobody would have been shot.
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    Accidental is negligent and vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    I don't believe in accidental discharge. If the 4 laws are being followed, no one gets shot "accidentally." There was negligence here, or nobody would have been shot.
    The majority of accidents are caused by negligence. Why do we keep trying to change the meaning of the word?

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    there are no accidents, only negligence. other than a mechanical failure there is no way for a gun to shoot by itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    there are no accidents, only negligence. other than a mechanical failure there is no way for a gun to shoot by itself.
    If we are using the common English language as spoken in the State of Oklahoma if it was unintentional then it is an accident. Not sure what language is spoken where you come from.

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    Sheesh. I do so hate the accident vs. negligence debates.

    Calling something an accident does not imply nor does it diminish negligence.
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    So. Is there a "lesson learned" we can take away from this incident?

    Can't speak for any of you, but in the world I've grown up in, you don't hand somebody a loaded gun. You make the gun safe, show that it's safe, and invite the person to whom you are handing it to satisfy him or herself that the gun is indeed safe and suitable for inspection.

    In this situation, if the kid wanted to pass his gun around, he should have unloaded it, cleared the chamber (while keeping the barrel pointed in a safe direction), put the safety on (if the gun had one), and then proceeded to Show and Tell.

    It's such common sense that I'm amazed that there are people who don't do that.
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    This was a case of negligence by both trying to unsafely pass a gun that was loaded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    If we are using the common English language as spoken in the State of Oklahoma if it was unintentional then it is an accident. Not sure what language is spoken where you come from.

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    there are no accidents, negligence is the cause of almost every so called accident.

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    Yeah, that's why they call 'em auto negligence instead of auto accidents.

    Sorry but I'm going to go with actual accepted definitions. Take it up with Merriam-Webster if you want to change the meaning of a word...

    Accident [noun]: 1a : an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance b : lack of intention or necessity : chance <met by accident rather than by design>

    2a : an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance b : an unexpected and medically important bodily event especially when injurious <a cerebrovascular accident>
    c : an unexpected happening causing loss or injury which is not due to any fault or misconduct on the part of the person injured but for which legal relief may be sought

    Negligent [adj] 1 a : marked by or given to neglect especially habitually or culpably b : failing to exercise the care expected of a reasonably prudent person in like circumstances

    2: marked by a carelessly easy manner

    Yes there are accidents. Automobile accidents, firearm accidents, slipping and falling on ice you didn't see accidents. An accident can be caused by negligence. An act of negligence can result in an accident. Intent is the key factor, not stupidity or carelessness. Did that person intend fire the weapon?

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