This is a discussion on Best Home Defense Shotgun within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by sgb You want a load that gives a tight controlled pattern that wont kick the crap out of the Mrs., this is ...
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Well... I see that you've made you choice, and purchase. IMO not a bad one. I guess I got to the thread kind of late. So... I'll preface my comment on your wife being overwhelmed by the .12Ga pump. It is a tiger.
My recomendation would be a modern side by side double bbl. in 20 ga. Of course with a 20" barrel. The 20 Ga is far less intimidating to shoot, and easier to practice with. These guns are easy to manipulate, and have a very simple manual of arms. The hardest part is to remember to take the safety off after loading. But thats the same with any firearm having a manual safety. My specific choice would be a Savage/Stevens 311. Even if as some people do, the gun is stored unloaded, it is as quick to load as any other and quicker than most. I read a comment that even a shotgun cant be relied for a one shot stop. Ahhhh I dont know about that. There may have been someone somewhere at some time who took a shotgun blast and kept coming... But I wouldnt worry about that.
a semi with the proper training, it's more about stance and technique. A 20ga may be the best choice if a 12 is too much for the shooter.
A 20 with the proper load will definitely put the hurt on a bad guy. But most people don't want 'reasonably incapacitating'. I wan't 'put
his ass down, first shot'. There are also better HD loads for the 12. A lot of people like a #4 turkey load for a 20. This would definitely
kill any perp at close range. The only real downside I can think of with a 20 is the spread. A 20 pattern will spread much quicker than
a 12. Outside of ~10 yards a 20ga pattern is starting to get wider than the perp which isn't good inside your own house. But again most
in home shots won't be further than 10 yards. It's just something to take into account.
full of shells with you. It'll also be far more difficult to reload under extreme stress. A pump with a 6 shot mag extension would be
FAR superior. A receiver mounted side saddle would be even better. The manual of arms for a pump shotgun is pretty darn simple.
If you can't work a pump then you really shouldn't be having a firearm in the home. Practice and training with ANY firearm is an
absolute must! Sorry, but only two guaranteed shots with a 20 ga just isn't enough to protect you and your family.
I fully understand and respect your position. As with all my posts I base them on my own training and experience. While a 20 guage is not as potent as a 12... The 20 is hardly anemic. My recomendation was prefaced on a non shooting woman picking up a gun at a most stressfull time. The manual of arms for a pump is simple... to a gunner. A non gun person may have some confusion with it, as each task is so close to the next. With a double barrel it's a lot more simple, and a lot more obvious. Open - load - close - safety off - shoot. As opposed to load through the bottom 5 or 6 times - pump action - Action wont pump? - hit release button, and pump action - safety off - shoot. I'd agree that with regular practice... the pumt is always better. Also the the .12 Ga is a better man-stopper. But if the non-gunner woman is afraid, or unfamiliar with the 12 Ga pump... The 20 Ga double is the better gun for her (in my opinion).
Often when we give our opinions about firearms we tend to insert our own choices, or wish list then defend them for the posters situation. I do try to respond to the information given by the O/P, and his or her situation. As it happens I own both. I've been formally trained to use both. For my own home (apartment) defense I choose the 12Ga double.
A double barrel 20G still kicks like a mule. Reduced 12G still kick and small women usually won't use them. Look at the Mossberg 410 pistol grip...use 3 inch shells with OO Buck, make the last two shots slugs. At closs range , like house, it will stop anyone just as well as a handgun.
kill an assailant. A double is a minimum for a single attacker. You have to have a backup shot in case of a miss. I don't know what
the stats are but I'm guessing that many home invasions/burglaries have more than one perp. I think that a reduced recoil 12 should
be considered instead. It's not that much worse than a full power 20 buck with the advantages of the 12 minus a little velocity. Throw
in the adrenaline dump and the recoil becomes much less of an issue than it is at the range. If it has to be a 20 then, again, I prefer
a pump or semi in 20. Higher capacity and fewer reloads.
I also preface all of my comments and opinions on the absolute necessity of firearms training and practice. This is not and should
not be an option. If a person is going to use a firearm as an option for self defense they MUST have training with the weapon. Dry
fire is the best and easiest form of training. You can practice stance, grip, trigger control, loading/unloading with practice rounds and
clearing of malfunctions. If the person is not willing to at least do dry practice then I would question if the person should even choose
a firearm as an option. This would also bring to question whether they would even pull the trigger.
My largest issue with a double is the capacity and the speed of reload. Reloading with loose shells either from a box or in the drawer,
etc would be very difficult in a stressed situation. The other problem is that you have to do a reload FAR more often. I guess you could
use a stock mounted shell holder, that would give you a few extra rounds and would make the reload smoother and quicker. A receiver
mounted shell holder would be preferred for even faster reloads. It's a much smaller movement, less awkward reach and easier to
keep the weapon mounted to the shoulder. But obviously that's not an option with a double.
I think much of our differences on the manual of arms is based on your starting point. A totally empty weapon. Maybe that's a
necessity in your location or your family situation. If a totally empty weapon is a hard core requirement then a double may be the
best choice. I would suggest the the pump should at the very least have an empty chamber with the hammer down, safety on. This
would only require rack and safety off. This would greatly reduce the difficulty in functioning the weapon. I keep mine chambered,
safety on. But this is one of those discussions that will be argued for years to come.
What it all comes down to is that you use what you have to get the job done. Just train and practice with it. A weapon that stays leaned
up in the corner of the room is going to be minimally effective. I'd much rather see someone buy a higher capacity weapon and get
proper training and practice with it.
Last edited by 590TAC; January 8th, 2012 at 08:20 PM.
Okay, NOW I have to find a place for the wife to practice shooting her NEW shotgun. Our local range will NOT allow us to shoot it because it has a pistol grip
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