Turned an Anti
This is a discussion on Turned an Anti within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; A couple nights ago, I was over at another house having drinks with a friend and his girlfriend. We are at her house and she ...
August 24th, 2006 02:14 PM
Turned an Anti
A couple nights ago, I was over at another house having drinks with a friend and his girlfriend. We are at her house and she lives in a small one-story house/condo by herself and she is rather young. She is a very vocal democrat who decrys Bush for being alive, hates guns, etc, etc, etc. She doesn't even trust law enforcement. Anyhow, she knows that I carry and it is a topic we simply don't discuss. I have even taken her shooting and she says "Its too real. I dont like it."
No kidding its real, sister.
So fast forward back to a few nights ago. Its roughly 2:30am and we are simply relaxing and having some laughs before bed when we hear a noise outside - it sounded like someone had tripped over the car parked in the carport. Her first reaction: turn pale. Her second: "Aaron, do you have your gun with you?!?!"
We were drinking and I knew we would be, so my gun is left in my safe back home. I didn't debate it with her as the crash had concerned me too. Myself and my friend Mike grabbed some maneuverable knives from the kitchen and carefully cleared the outside. We found a handprint on (very dirty) the front fender of the car where someone had tried to grab it in a fall, and a trashcan overturned.
We came back inside and informed her of everything. At this point, I asked her
Me: "Did you see what you did 10 minutes ago? Your first reaction was to call for help - you immeadiately asked if I had my gun. Why?"
Her: "Well because I don't want to get hurt... I got scared."
Me: "That isn't an answer, man."
Her: <pause> "I don't know. I guess I just trust you."
Me: "What about Mike?" [Mike being her boyfriend]
Her: <pause> "Well its different because I knew you carry a gun."
Me: "You know where I am going with this, right?"
Her: <sigh> "Yes.... But why don't you have your gun with you!!! I thought you always carried it."
Me: "Never when I drink."
Her: "Oh... I thought you had it regardless. That was one of the reasons I don't like guns. I thought you would drink with that on your hip."
Me: <Typical ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND look> "HELL NO!!!!! You never noticed that I lock it up when people come over for drinks?!"
--We discuss that for a few minutes until I make my point and she explains hers--
Me: "Okay, so now do you understand WHY I carry?"
Her: "Yeah. I mean, I still don't like them but..."
Me: "Buuuut.... what?"
Her: "I don't think I'll ever question it again."
Me: <No sarcasm> "Good!!! I'm glad you're willin to see my point of view on it."
When we had our in-depth discussion, we talked about carry laws and how she was under the impression that they will give a permit to anyone who wants one. I explained quite how wrong that was and told her what was required. We also discussed a little more of how I got my gun and what I went through. It sounds like someone had shown her the Brady page and read it to her through a megaphone. I didn't have access to my laptop, so I couldn't show her any websites on statistical info, but I threw in a few numbers anyhow. I kept an extremely calm voice the whole time and refrained from sarcasm - which was tough at points. haha I was amazed that logic worked so well.
We eventually called the local PD and explained what happened and they said they would run cars through the neighborhood most of the night after that - which they did about 3 minutes later. This instance may be the watershed with drinking. I enjoy knowing I am safe more than I enjoy having some drinks. I'm probably done with that.
My last comment before riding the couch to sleep that night was "The next time you hear about some politician who wants to take my gun away from me, what are you gonna think?"
"They're an idiot.'
I saw her last night while I was carrying and she looked at the HK and smiled. +1 for our side. And she has lots of anti friends, too. We shall see how this one plays out. haha
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August 24th, 2006 02:14 PM
August 24th, 2006 02:43 PM
Kudo's for not carrying and drinking. Sounds like the best possible outcome, no one got hurt, and a realization was made by an anti, that each person must accept responsibility for themselves.
Hopefully the first of a long string of domino's.
"fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]
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August 24th, 2006 03:06 PM
It is truly amazing - how many folks when really forced to stop and think - actually for once see some logic and put gut emotion to one side.
There are many such people out there - and others who are so bigotted and anti they can never change.
Every one we collectively manage to ''educate'' and let them see for themselves the common sense aspects - the better. It is their decision in the end to see sense.
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August 24th, 2006 03:27 PM
Reason and logic work, especially after a threatning experience has just scared the crap out of you. Your handeling of the situation was, in my opinion, right on.
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August 24th, 2006 03:39 PM
Sometimes I think everyone knows the things we all know about carry permits and guns only to find out how wrong I am. It is hard to remember to go back to step one with these folks, but that is exactly what you have to do. You did an excellent job with her.
It is also interesting how even a staunch anti will,first thing, call on the man with a gun for protection out of instinct without having to think about it. All of a sudden guns when used in defense of self are not the terrible thing she thought them to be.
DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONtestING THE VOTE.
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August 24th, 2006 03:40 PM
When safe an sound banning guns probably sounds good. when trouble comes knocking , attitudes change. I would like to see all those anti gun politicians spend a week in D.C. without all their bodyguards.
"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson
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August 24th, 2006 04:00 PM
The sad part is the need to scare the crap out of someone before they get the idea that "it can happen to them"!
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August 24th, 2006 05:13 PM
That's what I was thinking. And, on a larger scale, remember the gun/ammo buying craze after 9/11?
Originally Posted by rstickle
I guess it takes a good scare to jolt people into reality.
August 24th, 2006 05:37 PM
This is truly what the left has achieved. They have filled the minds of the scared and uninformed with their political retoric. Thanks for your self control while you were educating this individual, that is how it is going to have to happen, one individual at a time.
“Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.” Thomas Paine
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August 24th, 2006 05:41 PM
Good job, all around.
On the 'drinking while armed' point... I made the same decision. I was never one to drink often, but these days it's almost never. Every time I go to lock up my pistol, I think to myself 'baaaaa'. Last few times, I reconsidered, and had an ice tea. Simply not worth it.
Liberty is an inherently offensive lifestyle. Living in a free society guarantees that each one of us will see our most cherished principles and beliefs questioned and in some cases mocked. It's worth it.
August 24th, 2006 05:45 PM
it is amazing how being scared magically clears your mind and allows some sense to get in. Good Job we need all the help we can get.
August 24th, 2006 06:26 PM
August 24th, 2006 06:50 PM
I just recently took the 9 hour CCW course as required by NV and submitted my application to Clark County for my CCW permit. So, we'll see how long it takes.
Anyway, my wife asked me the other nite, that when the permit arrives, am I "going to carry a gun everywhere"? My reply to her was that, " I didnt take the time or monies to take the course, pay the $110 at that time, then $105 to the county, and just leave my weapon in the safe." I had to remind her of the 2 senior citizens that were shot at a local Grocery store recently just west of us here, and also the lady who was gunned down at the Casino recently, nor the well televised "Gasta shooting" at a Casino not too long ago either.
I expect some "Grief" when I do start carrying, from her, but hopefully she'll accept it. I also have a WA permit, and she's never found out yet, that I carry when up at our place in WA.
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August 24th, 2006 07:47 PM
August 24th, 2006 08:27 PM
Sounds like it was done well. Glad it turned out OK.
Dittos on the comment that sometimes it takes a good "scare the hell out of ya" to get people to objectively look at something. This time it worked out for the better.
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