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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelspinner View Post
    "The UN goal is to move the United States into global government by environment regulation and a vast network of taxes. These newly imposed taxes will give the UN a tremendous stream of money in addition to US dues and congressional appropriations. Agenda 21 is a comprehensive master plan to reshape and control the US and lock us into the clutches of the UN under the innocuous phrase "Sustainable Development".Agenda 21 was adopted as a "soft law" instead of by treaty."

    This is from a report by Phillis Schlafly dated December 2011 titled "The Mischief of Agenda 21"

    Our government has for the last 30 years or more sold us out to the UN much the same way Obama has sold Arizona out to the UN over the illegals. It is my sincere hope that nobody thinks that electing a "new" president will change this trend of power the UN has over our lives. As for "my plan"... I hope nobody in this forum thinks I have a plan to change this. It is only a comment I made in my original post that we should look at this and discuss it. Look at the play and not the players.

    Calling me a "troll" and asking for "my solution" seems rather left wing to me. If I had a solution you would possibly know me as a "senior member"
    Yep, and the clinton administration planned the OKC bombing, the bush administration planned the 911 attacks. Just because there is a theory out there doesnt mean it is correct.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Yep, and the clinton administration planned the OKC bombing, the bush administration planned the 911 attacks. Just because there is a theory out there doesnt mean it is correct.....
    You got it wrong, bush didn't plan 9/11 he was one of the pilots. Jeb was in the other plane. They had a double fill in for both after the attacks.Ooops, had to re-tune my antenna, your right. Bush did do the planning LOL.
    I agree with ya Harry. I don't mind theories, even far fetched ones (remember the world is round debate) as long as there is some logic behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    You got it wrong, bush didn't plan 9/11 he was one of the pilots. Jeb was in the other plane. They had a double fill in for both after the attacks.Ooops, had to re-tune my antenna, your right. Bush did do the planning LOL.
    I agree with ya Harry. I don't mind theories, even far fetched ones (remember the world is round debate) as long as there is some logic behind it.
    I dont mind a good read either. Its just that so many people are on the fringe (on both sides of the isle) that it gets a bit scary....Remember the black Helos that were stored here for the russians......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    I dont mind a good read either. Its just that so many people are on the fringe (on both sides of the isle) that it gets a bit scary....Remember the black Helos that were stored here for the russians......
    Of course, they moved them to one of the secret concentration camps being built here in NH.
    I thought you used only the internet for reliable news

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    This thread deteriorated quickly from the OP to a "bashing NRA party". It then changed into a discussion of a world body we all agree nobady wants. The question is, if we dislike the NRA who comes in to fill it's vaccum when we wish it away? I think we can all agree that the NRA has helped preserved 2A rights, by fighting legal battles at the Federal, States, County and municipal level, whenever a legal issue came up against the 2A. So again I ask who fills that vaccum? Are we all willing to open our wallets and hire law firms to sue the government, in order to preserve our 2A right? We all have different issues when it comes to the NRA, but we can not deny the fact that it has been an effective institution, in the fight to preserve our 2A right. My issues with the NRA are Grover Norquist and their contributions to politicians of either party, regardless of their social agenda, as long as they support gun rights. I look forward to reading what other issues you may have. I read a lot of "fear mongering" already, so let's exclude that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolocanolo View Post
    I look forward to reading what other issues you may have. I read a lot of "fear mongering" already, so let's exclude that one.
    Three things:
    Not the fear mongering per say, but rather the damage to the perception of integrity when they engage in low brow tactics such as this article.

    My second problem is the number of complaints I have seen with regards to members being bombarded with SPAM after giving the NRA a valid email address, which I believe to be dishonest and a trust violation.

    Third, I question the amount of money spent on administrative salaries. I believe that a full time job should be compensated but 6 figure + needs justification before I would contribute money.



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    I only read the first 3 pages of this. I'm happy my initial post yielded so much conversation.

    I guess I'm surprised that there are liberals here (at least some people said there were). I'm a huge political geek and avid voter. It's true that we need to vote for the change (or non-change) that we want. I don't see why people think Obama wouldn't go after this. Think of what he's trying to do with forcing people to buy healthcare. Think of how he tried to make the supreme court justices look like fools during his 2011 (or was it 2010) State of the Union speech.

    I'm from WI and now I'm scared of the democrats succeeding in this recall effort (even though I think it's slim) and repealing CC (which has no bad stories that I know of yet and one good one).

    I am so sick of these non-traditional Democrats (ie: extreme left, socialists) trying to change the meaning of the constitution, force their beliefs upon us, etc. It's disgusting. I encourage you ALL to vote for the pro-gun (usually Republican) in every election that you can.

    To the people calling the NRA fear mongers: I think the NRA has helped a lot of pro-2A candidates get into office. Right now we are facing the toughest time ever for our constitution and it's nice to know that there is a massive group out there that is willing to bankroll the people that will support our freedoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Of course, they moved them to one of the secret concentration camps being built here in NH.

    I thought you used only the internet for reliable news
    The interwebs hold only the truth.....LMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdBro View Post


    I am so sick of these non-traditional Democrats (ie: extreme left, socialists) trying to change the meaning of the constitution, force their beliefs upon us, etc. It's disgusting. I encourage you ALL to vote for the pro-gun (usually Republican) in every election that you can.
    As with fear mongering, this type of activity isn't limited to 'the left', or Democrats. The last R president took a pretty good sized dump on the constitution too. R's are quite happy to force their views and morality on others too.

    Quite frankly, I am growing tired of the Republican Rah-Rah that seems to be becoming more tolerated as of late. It doesn't contribute squat to the discussion of the issues. In that regard, here is a note to those who feel the need to engage in it: your not convincing those that don't agree with you. Your only turning off would be supporters, something which as a gun rights group you can't afford. A bit of similarity to what the NRA is doing, interestingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    As with fear mongering, this type of activity isn't limited to 'the left', or Democrats. The last R president took a pretty good sized dump on the constitution too. R's are quite happy to force their views and morality on others too.

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    When did I say the left is fear mongering? (they are, just not in relation to this or with what I said.) Also, for all of Bush's flaws, how did he "dump" on the constitution in an equivalent way to Obama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdBro View Post
    When did I say the left is fear mongering? (they are, just not in relation to this or with what I said.) Also, for all of Bush's flaws, how did he "dump" on the constitution in an equivalent way to Obama?
    Patriot Act. I will stop there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Patriot Act
    This is probably the best example, however many Democrats were for it as well. I agree the Patriot Act flies in the face of the constitution--I don't defend every politician...at all. However, I think Obama is far more dangerous to the constitution than Bush could have been by working with Democrats on the Patriot Act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdBro View Post
    When did I say the left is fear mongering? (they are, just not in relation to this or with what I said.)
    Not sure what your getting at here. My point was that fear mongering occurs on both sides.
    Also, for all of Bush's flaws, how did he "dump" on the constitution in an equivalent way to Obama?
    Shall we start with the proverbial Patriot Act? Neither of his elections were totally clean either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdBro View Post
    This is probably the best example, however many Democrats were for it as well. I agree the Patriot Act flies in the face of the constitution--I don't defend every politician...at all. However, I think Obama is far more dangerous to the constitution than Bush could have been by working with Democrats on the Patriot Act.
    So it was the evil democrats that had a hand in it. Wow, guess Bush isn't as responsible now is he. He asked for it, pushed for it using fear, and signed it. Yup, not all his fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    Not sure what your getting at here. My point was that fear mongering occurs on both sides.


    Shall we start with the proverbial Patriot Act? Neither of his elections were totally clean either.

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    We just discussed the Patriot Act above--and I don't really get how else his elections could have gone. More and more are going to be like that. Just look at the psychos in WI that are trying to recall like 10 different people a year after they were elected.

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