This is a discussion on NRA: our gun rights coming to an end? within the General Firearm Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by suntzu So it was the evil democrats that had a hand in it. Wow, guess Bush isn't as responsible now is he. ...
I was just addressing that you mentioned dems were for it. I was responding to your question on how Bush dumped on the Constitution equivalant to Obama. And it will be hard for anybody to blatantly do worse than Bush. But if I misunderstood ya, sorry.
Unfortunately, I think you're correct in terms of elections being contested more and more. A friend likes to say that there are four boxes when it comes to politics that usually get used in order: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammo box. We're definitely at the jury box and I think we're headed, or rather being pushed, towards the fourth.
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Bush also passed the No Child Left Behind act that has had a detrimental effect on the educational structure of the US. Well, at least in all of the states, areas, that had a solid system in place. It's based on good intentions, but in the end, the road to Hell is paved with those same good intentions.
Let's not also mention that President Bush made another alphabet soup agency instead of bolstering the existing ones that are doing parts (if not all) of the same duties. The Homeland Security Agency is a farce.
Both Bush and Obama passed bailout bills instead of letting people and businesses fall. No lessons about fiscal responsibility have been learned because so many were not allowed to feel the effects of the mismanagement of funds.
Obama somehow got a health care plan passed that no one read.
He also has a sitting head of an agency that has outright lied to inquiring congressional leaders trying to promote an anti-2A agenda.
All in all, we have had less than stellar results with the last two Presidents. I'm hoping the next one does better. One that is not anti-2A as well. We as the voters have to try and do our part to make the US better.
While were at it, you apparently want to put Walker on a pedestal. As I live about 750 miles away from WI, it is hard for me to concern myself with it too much, but it looks to me like his big foobar was to try and outlaw unions. A mistake that may prove costly.
Obama isn't going to confiscate weapons now or if he is reelected because he waffles, compromises, or backs down entirely anytime any of his initiatives encounter any kind of resistance. While he may not be running for reelection after a second term, his fellow Democrats in the House and Senate will be and they want no part of gun control legislation for the most part. Despite the egos of their politicians, New York, Illinois, and California don't dictate policy for the rest of the country. Having lost control of the House and fearful of losing the Senate, Democrats aren't looking for another issue to get conservatives fired up.
"The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come." ~ Confucius
As far as unions go, all he did was give the ability to workers to opt out of being in their PUBLIC (not private) unions so their pay checks are not automatically docked money to the union. He also is making them pay half the average of what private workers pay for benefits (and great ones at that) and about 5% to their pensions (almost non-existent in the private sector)...that's IT...that's what ALL the stink is about. It's 100% created by the PUBLIC unions (again, private unions have nothing to do with this...private unions are not nearly the same)...now, our budget is balanced fro the first time in a decade at least and property taxes have dropped for the first time I can remember.
Walker is a taxpayers and gun owners HERO...I honestly can't say enough good things about him. He also avoided public worker layoffs that where imminent because of our budget hole (SEE: ILLINOIS AND OHIO).
In terms of gaining 2A support, I will grant you that is a positive, as is a balanced state budget. It would seem, though, that he either stepped on an awful lot of toes, or the wrong toes and it may cost.
Let us be careful that don't get off track with this line of argument. The point wasn't unions, or public employee benefits. The point was that to say Conservative / Rep = pro-2A and Liberal / Dem = anti-2A is ludicrous. There are 2A supporters and opponents in both parties. If you happen to believe that your favorite political party is the best thing since frozen orange juice, knock yourself out. Just realize that DC is not the place to raise this point.
Hello!!!!!!!!!!Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I been saying this for 3 years. What we have seen from Hussein so far is RESTRAINT. Why? Because he wants to get re-elected. When he wins in 2012, AND HE WILL WIN thanks to the non voting gun owners. Ask your friends, family, and co-workers how many didn't vote in 2008. MOST DID NOT.
The anti's will show up to vote to TAKE YOUR GUNS, gun owners sit at home and complain. It was once said "People get the type of government they DESERVE." Those, including THOUSANDS on here just don't want to bother taking 30 minutes to vote. Ask the members from England, Australia, or Canada if it is easier to vote to KEEP your rights than try to get them back.
as far as collective bargaining goes, the things like public union members contributing a small portion to their benefits and giving the local school districts the ability to use non-union owned insurers (as in, them not having a monopoly over what insurance is purchased...WEAC Trust) would have been impossible to implement. they can still collectively bargain over wages, just not benefits. JUST like the obama/federal gov has for federal employees. it's really not a big deal at all. the public unions are just in a HUGE hissy fit because they know more members are not going to pay into the union when they are given the option, and school districts are not going to use their insurance because of the artificial markup from when they had the monopoly over it.