Accuracy after cleaning?

Accuracy after cleaning?

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    Accuracy after cleaning?

    The two threads about cleaning your firearm got me wondering about whether I am the only person who goes through this:

    I had noticed that my H&K does not shoot as well when it first gets opened-up at the range. After about a full mag, it gets back to its good-old nail-driving accuracy. Then, other times it would be great right out of the holster.

    I then realised that it would be, initially, far less accurate if I had just cleaned my gun. For some reason, the gun seems to shoot much better when its got some dirtiness in it. I don't know if this is a design implication or what. If it is, that's very odd. But anyhow, now after I clean the gun, I go put 100 rounds through it before I carry it. Could this be a devilish conspiracy between H&K and ranges all over the country?!?!?! lol j/k

    Does anyone else go through this or am I just retarted?
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    I have not notice any better accurancy between my gun being dirty or clean. But my guns feed a whole lot better when they are clean.

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    I don't have the link here at work but Scheumann has an article on his barrel website about cleaning guns. His tests have lead him to reccomend NEVER cleaning one of his barrels, only the chamber. He feels something to the effect that the micro scratching leads to accelerated wear and that by never cleaning them they are more accurate! Sure flies in the face of everything I was taught as a youngster but this guy sure makes a good barrel!
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    I't hard to believe that any of the gun "guru's" would EVER say not to clean every part of a firearm or any other piece of machinery.

    Cleaned properly,using the proper equipment,how could it hurt.

    Benchrest shooters always consider a "fouling shot". These are the guys(and guns) that shoot the .154" to .200" group with their .308's. Pistols and revo's aren't that picky. Even my hunting weapons shoot to the same POI on the first shot or the 10th. Now my 14" T/C in .223 will change a little.

    As a general rule,the bigger the bore,the less the weapon will be effected by cleanleness.

    For me,I can not,NOT,clean my weapons after every range or hunting session. ---------

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    I found it!

    http://www.schuemann.com/

    Go to the article on barrel cleaning. Interesting read!
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    At combat distances I have not been aware of any significant accuracy changes with a clean gun. I do tho admit to not cleaning the bore in great detail - it is given what many might regard as a cursory clean.

    That I might add is with normal jackets - if I put a bunch of lead thru then I do clean the bore to ensure de-leading.

    I do remember way back when I used to shoot my 686 at 25 yards for bullseye - there was a slight tendency for the group to be more open with a clean gun, but it was probably marginal.
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    This isn't unusual. It's been reported for many years that a very clean or well-oiled barrel will shoot off. I don't clean my pistol barrels with any sort of abrasion process - No wire brushes.

    I use a Hoppe's Tynex (Nylon) brush with a cotton flannel patch wrapped around it along with IOSSO bore paste. Flitz polish will work, too, but not as well.

    All of my oil cleaning and preserving is done with Ballistol.

    If you don't clean the barrel, at all, sooner or later it will start to pit. (Which is good for a barrel manufacturer, but bad for you!)

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    Yeah I don't use wire brushes. I won't go into why because I'm sure that will spark a debate. hahaha But I do use a needle-head style bore attachment with a well-soaked cotton swap. I just use #9 on the barrel - I don't lube the inside of it. Just clean it. Would that be the problem?

    That IS a damned interested read on the Schuemann barrels, though. Makes me wonder....
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    IMHO if you protect the crown of the muzzle, and use a good cleaning rod, like Dewey or Bore Tech. Cleaning will only help your firearms accuracy.
    Yeah I don't use wire brushes. I won't go into why because I'm sure that will spark a debate. hahaha
    I dont dissagree that over use of brass brushes will ,cause more fouling. I personaly use nylon brushes to do most of the work. Although if I shoot alot of rounds, I will use a brass brush (and Fitz)conservatively. I will only put a brass brush through my bore after I get clean paches with nylon, and patch. I then use "foaming" cleaner, or Sweets to clear out the inbeded brass and deep fouling. Thats when Im anal about clining rifles that I wan to keep M.O.A., unfoutionatly I have onle one one of thoughs rifles now.
    But I do use a needle-head style bore attachment with a well-soaked cotton swap.
    Thats proper "old school" cleaning teqnique I agree, that #9 is the most safe cleaner out there. #9 and Butch's barrel cleaner, does the vast majority of my cleaning.


    Benchrest shooters always consider a "fouling shot". These are the guys(and guns) that shoot the .154" to .200" group with their .308's. Pistols and revo's aren't that picky. Even my hunting weapons shoot to the same POI on the first shot or the 10th. Now my 14" T/C in .223 will change a little.
    Thats so true. The number of "fouling shots" will differ for every individual barrel, and "Barrel Break-in Procedure".


    If I were to get a good barrel I would buy from Hart.
    Im just bias tuard Hart, cause they are a few miles from my families home .


    This kind of talk makes me realy miss shooting Woodcucks over 300y

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    Before shooting on the range ,try a dry patch thru the bore first. however , I have not noticed any significant accuracy difference from first shoots to last.
    I keep my gun and bore clean to insure rust free , reliable operating gun.
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    I always use jacketed rds and KG-12 foaming bbl cleaner....
    i find that any accuracy problems can be attributed to me until I get "warmed up".....
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    Yeah dimmak I've considered that. So I had other people try it out. I've tried to eliminate as many possibilities as I can before I post up. This is much the same type of problem as I had with FTF's in Winchester White Box. I've since switched ammo and have had no failures, following the suggestion of one or two of the members here.
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    I clean my gun's after each range outing. I have not noticed any accuracy problem's with any of them. I have a few friend's that swear that it take's10/20 round's to make them work right after cleaning but I haven't noticed much if any difference
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    I had a Glock 23 that did the same thing the first mag after cleaning accuracy was lousy, then after that it was good to go. I always did the same thing I would clean it take it out back send a mag full through then load her up and put her back in the cow.

    I have used several of Schueman's barrels and have always had excellent results. I have one in my personal competition gun that sees many thousands of rounds, I have never put a brush through the barrel, and it still shoots lights out. I don't know if I would go as far as recommending it to all my customers but it works for me.

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