CGSV: NRA's Pres. Harlon Carter and Zimmerman: 2 murderers (NOT a Zimmerman thread!)

CGSV: NRA's Pres. Harlon Carter and Zimmerman: 2 murderers (NOT a Zimmerman thread!)

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    CGSV: NRA's Pres. Harlon Carter and Zimmerman: 2 murderers (NOT a Zimmerman thread!)

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE This is NOT a Zimmerman thread! Don't get it shut down because of Zimmerman!

    This thread is about Harlon Carter and the circumstances of his murder conviction and successful appeal. First I've heard of this and I have no idea of the facts as presented by CGSV are accurate and complete. BTW more details at the blog, linked. Anybody?

    CSGV's latest contribution to the gun rights debate (Harlon Carter a convicted murderer). Got it in my email. I'm guessing there's a lot of spin going on here:

    What the NRA's "Founder" and George Zimmerman Have in Common

    Yesterday, I published a featured blog at the Huffington Post that tells the fascinating story of a 1931 murder eerily similar to the February 26th killing of 17 year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida by concealed handgun permit holder George Zimmerman.

    The story involves former NRA leader Harlon Carter, who in 1977 took control of the National Rifle Association (NRA) during the "Cincinnati Revolution" and turned the organization into a no-compromise, highly partisan entity that embraces extreme positions on the Second Amendment and gun policy.

    Four years after he took power, the press uncovered a disturbing fact about Carter. On March 3, 1931, a 17-year-old Carter shot and killed 15-year-old Ramón Casiano in Laredo, Texas. After returning home from school that day, Carter was told by his mother that there were three Latino youths loitering near the family's property. Carter left his house, shotgun in tow, to confront them. After finding Casiano and his two companions at a nearby swimming hole, Carter pointed his shotgun at them and ordered them to come with him. Casiano refused, pulled out a knife, and asked Carter if he would like to fight. Carter then pointed the shotgun at Casiano. Casiano laughed and brushed the gun aside while taking a step back. Carter asked Casiano, "You don't think I'd use it?" and then fatally shot him in the chest. After initialy being convicted of murder, Carter was able to successfully appeal and get the case thrown out.

    The similarities to the murder of Trayvon Martin are obvious and the NRA again stands at the center of controversy because of their authorship of the "Stand Your Ground" law that has allowed George Zimmerman to remain a free—and armed—man.

    Read my new blog ( Josh Horwitz: What the NRA's "Founder" and George Zimmerman Have in Common ), "What the NRA's 'Founder' and George Zimmerman Have in Common," to see how the NRA's promotion of vigilantism is hardly a new phenomenon.

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    "A lot of spin" is an understatement.

    First and least offensive is the painting of Harlon Carter as the "founder" of the NRA. The NRA was founded in 1871, 60 years before the shooting cited.

    Second, if a conviction is thrown out on appeal, the conviction is nullified, period. That's the way our legal system works. If Josh Horowitz was convicted of vehicular manslaughter because an 80 year-old woman fell in front of his car but he "successfully appealed and got the case thrown out," would he celebrate the fact that he was no longer a convicted killer or would he sell his cars and never drive again?

    Third, and last for me, is the statement "the similarities to the murder of Trayvon Marin are obvious." We don't know that Trayvon Matin was murdered; his death was a homicide, but calling it murder is jumping past our judicial system in a huge bound. And the "similarities" are obvious to whom? The only similarities are the involvement of a firearm and the death of someone under 21.

    If the law was applied to Josh Horowitz as he wants it applied to Zimmerman, he would be the first to cry foul and whine about "innocent until proven guilty."
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    True............charges have not been filed yet based on current info....and may not be.

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    So if the facts of the case are accurate, do you think that today this Carter shooting would be self defense or a crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    So if the facts of the case are accurate, do you think that today this Carter shooting would be self defense or a crime?
    Impossible to tell from what Horowitz related - we hardly know the facts. But if you were armed and a trespasser drew a knife, what would you do?

    Let's leave the speculation to the uninformed with agendas.
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    "No more Zimmerman threads".

    A thread that mentions Zimmerman several times, uses him as a comparison against another case is a NO GO.

    It may not be exactly about Zimmerman, but the article has an anti-gun slant to it and that is not tolerated here either. The article has written by Josh Horwitz the Executive Director of the "Coalition to Stop Gun Violence" a man who des not believe in defense of ones life using a gun. He is a rabid anti-gun fanatic and I personally don't care what he has to say about anything, nor would I walk across the street to whiz on him if he were on fire.

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