Difference between a "starter" ar15 and any other.

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    Difference between a "starter" ar15 and any other.

    I was wonderin if someone could help me with a question I have. Ive owned firearms all my life mostly for hunting purposes but a few handguns as well. Ive recently found myself being swept up in the ar15 craze. Im new to ars but have learned a lot from this forum and others like it, I just had one question what is the difference between a "starter" ar and any other? My understanding is that all ars are basically the same its just a matter of quality and bells and whistles. What makes an ar a "starter" ar? Thank you for the help.

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    I am glad you asked this question and am eager to see the answers.
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    Oh, Jon....calling Jon.

    Here is a good place to start reading up on the point that you raise:


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    And to add more to it the AR/M4 platform is moving to a gas piston system.
    AR is like a Harley you will almost never run out of ways to trick it out and can go broke doing so.
    After spending a lot of cash you sometimes figure out you really had no use for half the toys you added any way.
    Starter is just that the basic out of the box it will shot and many would be just fine with it , then the fun starts 20 bucks here 50 there, ect.

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    A starter AR IMHO would generally be one assembled from low cost lower quality parts to a budget price point. Generally meant for the occasional range and lite sporting use crowd.
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    OR...just buy once, cry once. My ultra-used Colt Frankenstein (70's lower/80's upper/new barrel) cost a few hundred more than a new (insert manufacturer). It's popped every time I've squeezed, now in the neighborhood of 2K rounds.

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    "Starter" is relative, too. I'm getting my first AR and I'm building it myself with a BCM upper and BCG, and a PSA lower and parts kit, and one of those nifty Geissele SSA triggers.

    I guess for someone who just wants to shoot a few hundred rounds a year, a starter AR would be one without all of the mil-spec components....pretty much the M&P 15 Sport model. But once you have that, you're addicted, so I'm skipping the first part, and building a rifle that should be pretty good from the get go.

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    Milspec. The difference is in the parts made to make the gun. The barrel steel, the testing and so on. There is a list stickied up top listing AR manufactures and the quality of their parts and manufacturing processes.

    But the short answer is that quality ARs are made to military specs and the light duty guns aren't.
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    A starter AR is like your first car. Not the best in the world but it serves the function to get you from point A to point B.

    Some AR's will only go so far in regards to fit, finish and accuracy no matter what you do to them so you have to upgrade to a "better" model. There is always something better to do to improve accuracy, reliability or whatever it is you want to improve.

    With the right rail system you can add whatever you want to an AR so it is not just about accessories. The upper is the meat of the rifle. Receiver, internals, barrel and sights will determine what the rifle can do so this is where the improvements or "making it better" come into play.

    I normally have my rifles built by Rifle Dynamics so I can choose what goes where and I am assured of a quality build with quality parts.


    The visible laser mounted in this pic was given to me so I put it on for the kids to play with it does not stay on the rifle.



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    Holosight for now again put on for the kids to shoot the rifle. I also use Aimpoint T-1's, Burris XTR, Leupold CQ/T.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Still love my Ranch Rifle. Hell, I'll probably die holding it. I spent may a years carrying any variant of an AR and also the MP5 for CQB (before the M4 craze). Still love my Ranch Rifle. It will take a lot more dirt and grime.

    Any one of these firearms in the hands of a competent shooter are more than adequate.

    Don't get caught up in the craze to add everything that is sold to the weapon. At the end of the day, the lighter the weapon, the more ammo you can hump.

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    Any one of these firearms in the hands of a competent shooter are more than adequate.

    Absolutely true. It is the guy pulling the trigger that matters.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Wellarmeddad: Welcome to the forum!!! (I like your screen-name)

    Not much significant to add here, other than to suggest some questions to ask yourself: What do I want this rifle for? (I mean, other than the fact that you just simply WANT it ) Will it be to: (a) take to the range occassionally? (b) To teach the kids to shoot? (c) Scare away your daughters boyfriends? (d) Defend your family as you bug out during social unrest/collapse?? If a, b, or c, you can probably get by with an entry level AR and be fine... if you envision and are planning on "d", well then you'd better buy quality. boyfriends.jpg
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    I don't see any point in going with a cheap build as a "starter" AR specifically. If it's a weekend plinker, and that's all it will ever be, then fine, go ahead and cheap out. You'll still be happy. If by "starter" you mean simply your first one, and you want to learn the platform and so on, then why would you go with a cheaper gun made of lesser quality parts? Just get a Colt, or PSA, or Spikes, or any of the others that is actually made to mil-specs and will hold up to harsh use. They don't cost much more, and you won't find yourself in a position later where you feel the need to sell that "starter" rifle that was really just inferior for your purposes.

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    I have the stag model 2. And so far its been totaly reliable. Yes its your basic ar but it seems to be built really well. Ive added the basic necceites sling optic rail and going to get a tac light laser combo. Thats about it other than more mags and lots of ammo. For when shtf and the zombies come lol.

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    I moved on from the AR/M4 as I had know it for a long time. You can buy a fine weapon out of the box that will do everything these so called builds will do for less.
    The gas piston is the way to go . You will in time see the Military switching to it. Even the base level of this weapon is outstanding. If you have the cash and want more they offer it.
    And your AR toy collection fit right on the rail system.
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