NYPD: 84 rounds, 14 hits

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    Does the NYPD offer marksmanship medals like the military?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    in a close quarters gun battle slow is usually dead or wounded
    Yeah, I guess one would need to know how to apply the quote and utilize it when necessary. Him being a Seal team instructor at the time, I took it for what it was worth and understood the implication.
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    I read somewhere that during the Civil War the Union army took about 400 pounds of lead to bring down each Confederate. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Does the NYPD offer marksmanship medals like the military?
    If they score a perfect qual/re-qual score they are entitled to wear the "pistol expert" award bar.
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    With all those misses how many Innocent bystanders got killed from the hits that over penetrated? The over penetration crowd will demand to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgb View Post
    With all those misses how many Innocent bystanders got killed from the hits that over penetrated? The over penetration crowd will demand to know.
    you do know that patrol cops there cannot use JHP ammo, I believe they are shooting lead rounds, a big no no for glocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    you do know that patrol cops there cannot use JHP ammo, I believe they are shooting lead rounds, a big no no for glocks
    No, they use Gold Dot +P
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    ...... and the perp being drunk, or high, or both, would've 'numbed' some of those NYPD hits they did manage to score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alaskazimm View Post
    I read somewhere that during the Civil War the Union army took about 400 pounds of lead to bring down each Confederate. Just saying.
    Hence the reason why union civil war veterans found the NRA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alaskazimm View Post
    I read somewhere that during the Civil War the Union army took about 400 pounds of lead to bring down each Confederate. Just saying.
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    Hit only 14 times? And lived? Sounds like an 'Air Soft' engagement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    Hit only 14 times? And lived? Sounds like an 'Air Soft' engagement.
    Again, there's no magic to making a human drop -

    Lets talk Marksmanship and Realistic Combat... - M4Carbine.net Forums

    ^ Look at the war-stories in that thread.

    OK, let's discount them a bit as Intrawebz "War Tales," then.

    So what about this?

    Shots Fired: Skokie, Illinois 08/25/2008 - Article - POLICE Magazine

    That's what I cited on the previous page of this thread, and it's a well-documented shoot. Can't debate that there's any Intrawebz Commando stuff, there.

    It's not an "'Air Soft' engagement" (and BTW, airsofts are being utilized in many forms of training, nowadays - the stigma that they're nothing but toys is long gone ). It's just reality. The human body is amazingly resilient and woefully fragile at the same time. It all depends on what happens to it, and what happens to it can defy the odds/statistics, it can well be that "n of 1."

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    Actually... it's a 16.7% hit rate... just above the national average of 15%. (by cops... private citizens is WAY higher)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudgen View Post
    These two reloaded twice, and managed only a 22% hit rate. They might need a little more range time.

    Cops fire 84 bullets at armed man, hit him 14 times - NYPOST.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    LOL....The guy fired one shot from a 22 and it was probably the last round he had in the gun.I'm gonna hazard a guess,but something tells me the only reason they quit shooting is because they were almost out of ammo,This is a training issue.A lot of Agencies have cut back on range time,and some only shoot Qualifications annually instead of semi-annual.
    Years ago my department supplied 100 rounds month of 38 spl for practice,we shot semi-annual to qualify to carry S&W 686 4" 357,a lot of LEO's never showed up on range day for practice,I always did and not only shot the 100 they gave me,but usually shot another 1-200 of my own ammo,+ 1-200 rounds in my off duty S&W Mod 39,only about 50% showed up until it was time to qualify.
    If a Civilian fired that many rounds in a Neighborhood with that many misses you may very well get charged with reckless endangerment
    I know what you mean. Back in my LEO days I carried a 4" 686 for a duty weapon too. I shot 300 - 500 rounds a week mot weeks. In those days I could get a box of 50 wad cutters for $3 if i exchanged the brass. Turn in 50 empty caes and get 50 rounds for $3 - made it really cheap to shoot a lot.

    Kind of miss those days when 6 in the gun and 12 on the belt seemed adequate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alaskazimm View Post
    I read somewhere that during the Civil War the Union army took about 400 pounds of lead to bring down each Confederate. Just saying.
    I heard it took 500,000+ rounds for one enemy combatant killed in Iraq. I have a hard time believing that, but it came from a high ranking military officer. Combat is chaotic.

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